Should I have to go non-lead?

[Deermanagement]

So, should I have too for one reason or another and be forced to go non-lead, I’ve been looking at options that provide the nearest requirement for a couple of different calibres.

Been looking with interest at Peregrine and Yew Tree for 3 calibres, .243. 6.5 Creedmoor and .270

Requirements for .243 are mainly roe, and odd sika pricket, max 200m

Requirements for 6.5 Creedmoor are mainly Sika, calves to big stags, and would like ability to push to more like 300m

Requirements for .270 are mainly Sika, calves to big stags, and would like ability to push again to 300m

Yew tree 80.5g look ok for the .243 but would like to know min twist and the approx. terminal velocity for decent expansion?

For the 6.5 Creedmoor, would like to know the approx. terminal velocity once again, for both versions of the Yew Tree 6.5 bullets, 112g and tipped 114g. Then likewise, would need to know the same detail for the Peregrine VLR4 118 and 124g bullets

For the .270, would like to know the approx. terminal velocity for the Yew Tree .270 bullets, 118g., and the same detail for the Peregrine VLR4 125 and 132g bullets, along with minimum twist for these bullets.

Any realistic data appreciated. Accuracy is important and these seem to produce, maybe down to engineering tolerance and detection of any lobed diameters that are not possible to detect with normal gauging and measurement.

Have been considering the Evo Green but do not really like the idea of large fragmentation and accompanying damage, although would prefer this over a poorly expanded monolithic.

 

[samdk]

Rich from @Yew Tree Fieldsports is very helpful and I’m sure he will have the info you need!

 

[SussexSteve]

Id second the above speak to Richard

 

[308tikka]

They all work.

Doubt you will be forced to move anytime soon. Your gamedealer may insist on non lead projectile however.

 

[welshwarrior]

Have a look at Virtus as well I’m finding their 243 80 grain bullets great as are many others.

 

[Yew Tree Fieldsports]

I have replied to your pm with the information with respect to my bullets
Cheers
Rich

 

[Utectok]

I think you will prefer yew tree to peregrine. Slightly more messy but better at longer range. And tlr are exceptionally accurate.

 

[Yew Tree Fieldsports]

I think you will prefer yew tree to peregrine. Slightly more messy but better at longer range. And tlr are exceptionally accurate.

I think you’re right in terms of more potential meat damage (certainly than my hollow point) but I took the view that people shooting at longer ranges would prefer the consistency of expansion and tolerate slightly more meat damage if they go through the shoulder. The last thing anyone wants, particularly at range, is a bullet failure.

 

[25 Sharps]

I think you’re right in terms of more potential meat damage (certainly than my hollow point) but I took the view that people shooting at longer ranges would prefer the consistency of expansion and tolerate slightly more meat damage if they go through the shoulder. The last thing anyone wants, particularly at range, is a bullet failure.

Absolutely

 

[Utectok]

I think you’re right in terms of more potential meat damage (certainly than my hollow point) but I took the view that people shooting at longer ranges would prefer the consistency of expansion and tolerate slightly more meat damage if they go through the shoulder. The last thing anyone wants, particularly at range, is a bullet failure.

I agree good call

 

[Brave Echo Niner]

I think you’re right in terms of more potential meat damage (certainly than my hollow point) but I took the view that people shooting at longer ranges would prefer the consistency of expansion and tolerate slightly more meat damage if they go through the shoulder. The last thing anyone wants, particularly at range, is a bullet failure.

Certainly makes sense - Out of curiosity, you have said previously you'll guarantee expansion down to 2000 FPS, have you done testing below that and if so what did you find?

Ben

 

[Yew Tree Fieldsports]

Certainly makes sense - Out of curiosity, you have said previously you'll guarantee expansion down to 2000 FPS, have you done testing below that and if so what did you find?

Ben

Yes I have done enough testing at lower impact speeds to be confident enough to guarantee that the bullets will expand at 2,000 fps impact. In pretty much all rifle/cartridge combinations in the various calibres that gives effective range of 500 yards minimum. I believe that to be about the maximum sensible distance at which it is possible to effectively and consistently produce a clean kill before you run into time of flight issues.

 

[Dave_45]

Go yew tree.
You will not be disappointed and you'll be able to get them consistently

 

[Steff]

I cannot compare with yew tree but the best copper bullets I know (and use) are Aero bullets by Styria Arms in Austria.

They‘re available with different diameter and depths tip cavities. Extremely accurate across all calibres I have tested and absolutely reliable in terminal performance.

I have no idea if they will ship to the UK but it could be worth asking. The answer might be a little grumpy , but he is a very decent guy.

 

[User00040]

I cannot compare with yew tree but the best copper bullets I know (and use) are Aero bullets by Styria Arms in Austria.

They‘re available with different diameter and depths tip cavities. Extremely accurate across all calibres I have tested and absolutely reliable in terminal performance.

I have no idea if they will ship to the UK but it could be worth asking. The answer might be a little grumpy , but he is a very decent guy.

Try listening to the podcast below.



The 'drive bands'/'relief grooves' are a bad thing...

 

[Steff]

Try listening to the podcast below.



The 'drive bands'/'relief grooves' are a bad thing...

1 hour? Sorry, no, I won‘t treat myself to this.
Maybe you can give us a summary? pleeease …

 

[Leec6.5]

Try listening to the podcast below.



The 'drive bands'/'relief grooves' are a bad thing...

Sorry got better things to do, like get my fishing gear ready for a 3 day session next week!

Bored to tears reading about it, listening to it!

I’ll just quietly plod on while you lot fanny about.

 

[Rufushound]

Currently using Yew Tree in .243 and .308 they are excellent in terms of both accuracy and terminal performance

 

[JL Grendel]

As said in other replies. Go yewtree you won't be disappointed.

 

[mwest]

Having been forced down the lead free road some time ago now...!! And after trying several breeds of "lead free" bullet... I have got to say that the 145 grain yew tree offerings are performing very well indeed in 30/06 for me. They are exceptionally accurate (match king accuracy), which I was not able to obtain with any other make of lead free bullet in .30 cal.
Head, neck, shoulder, chest shots all perform exactly as they should... As did all the other bullets that I tried...!... The difference with the yew tree's was that they were consistently very accurate in my rifles, just like the Game Kings that I used to use.
I am not convinced that there are any short cuts here, and different rifles will probably like different bullets/ammunition, that's always been the case..
As "reloaders", we generally like to experiment, searching for perfection, when we probably don't need it for most UK stalking..! We like to try different bullet/powder/primer/brass combinations, striving to find that particular sweet spot for our individual rifle, and in the past pistol/revolver. Because it's interesting, and your always looking for that edge that might help you win competitions... That's the problem if your a target shooter and a stalker...!!

I think, what I'm probably trying to say in-between all the waffle is.. That in my experience all the lead free bullets I've used do the job just as well as the copper jacketed lead bullets I used in the past, there is no need for feelings of trepidation.
It's just a matter of finding out which one you and your rifle like the most, and which one you have most confidence in.
Kind regards
M