Shultz & Larsen Victory vs custom with an FN Mauser Action

[HonestJohn]

Surely you’d just machine them off then D&T. Or even better cut them into a dovetail to fit one of the commonly available rings eg CZ, weaver etc.

Too narrow at bottom for dovetailing. Machining them off, DT, re black etc. add £2k+

 

[Scipio]

Ahh, no, 99% are long action, but they made a special intermediate length for the 7x57. I can run copper just fine in my intermediate

Hello again mate! awesome with the intermediate action for the 7x57!

And i Probably didn't express myself well enough earlier.
What I meant wasnt that there could be a problem of suitedability to long coppers in your action, but that the chamber and throat dimensions of the 6.5x65 might not accomodate well for it.

 

[PostmanPat]

See above reply. The owner of said rifle is right, it can be removed, but only by taking the scope to pieces. I raised it on the post and I got a sharp PM from him stating that I wasn’t helping the sale, it’s hard enough already! Wow, put in my place just trying to make people known the limitations, not trying to kill his sale, but what wrong with disclosing the limitations? Says something right?

Damn. Thought that seemed perfect. I have a slightly of piste plan now to get what I want but I don't want to say it on the thread as they are in short supply

 

[Heym SR20]

No. The action has been fitted with specially profiled rings that are silver soldered and will stay where they are. Removing them will mean heating the receiver and having to re harden. No bueno.

The two screws at the top are to clamp it tight. But to fit and remove a scope, you have to unscrew the ocular lens housing and disassemble, you have to remove all turret and turret fixtures until you have a clean tube you can slide out forwards.

Only period scopes will allow you to do this, so in reality, in real world reality, if the scope breaks, the rifle is finished unless you can find another period scope and someone to rebuild it inside the rings. I don’t know a single smith in the UK who does high end optical repairs on vintage scopes, and also is an RFD. Then, what if the new scope isn’t sitting in a way that allows it to zero due to lack of adjustment range? Or the ocular bell housing diameter is slightly larger so it fouls exceptionally low bolt shroud.

These are wonderful rifles, and beautifully built, but IMHO, perfect for if you have plenty of money and just want a piece of history for a nice sunny Saturday roebuck stalk every couple of weeks, and you realise it’s just like owning an old sports

Don’t really see this as an issue.

That Rifle will shoot to the point of aim because it was built properly. It is fitted with a Swarovski 6x42 scope, and there is nothing in the UK, nor for that matter any where else in the world where you would need any more magnification with a 7x57. If you can shoot it with a 7x57, you can shoot it with a 6x42.

 

[KimE]

Cheap Husqvarna 640 are buildt on FN98 actions. Cheap Parker Hales can be bought in Sweden too.

 

[Essexsussex]

Cheap Husqvarna 640 are buildt on FN98 actions. Cheap Parker Hales can be bought in Sweden too.

I’d like a husky 640 we don’t see them
Here often
We do see 1900s now and again which are very nice but underrated

 

[HonestJohn]

I’d like a husky 640 we don’t see them
Here often
We do see 1900s now and again which are very nice but underrated

640’s virtually don’t exist in the UK, sadly. They suffered from split stocks at the tang generally. But, that’s not why of course.

1909’s are superb, esp for their tolerances and floorplate. But, these days you’ll have to break a military rifle to get the action, which is a shame. TT Proctor used them, and many, many US rifle builders did for some very fine sporters.

There are many other great mausers for custom rifles, including the DWM’s, ZG 47, VZ24 (older ones, esp the Persian ones by BRNO!), Standard Modell, etc.

The Peruvian DWM made is an intermediate and has the proper pear shaped bolt knob, wonderful action to work from. The stripper clip hump needs removal due to its size of course.

 

[HonestJohn]

I’m 100% with triggertrix - the 98 is the best action ever made, and of them the sporting Oberndorf has the most allure. They got everything just right, and there is something about having the words “Mauser-Werke AG Oberndorf AN” on the LH sidewall that gives me makes me feel warm and fuzzy… however, the original stocks are not suitable for a scope, and they really shouldn’t be drilled and tapped. There are plenty of military Oberndorf actions that have been built into fantastic sporters, however I’m not sure id technically place them ahead of say a VZ24 or military FN. But not behind either (not a post 1920s one anyway).
Oberndorf built their sporting 7x57s on their intermediate action, but most of their military ones were in the regular “long action”, but this is a bit of a minefield as there are quite a few oddballs.

In answer to the original question, there is no doubt in my mind a well built 98 sporter (FN commercial is great, but so are many others) is going to be a better long term option than a S&L (nice as they are). A good quality barrel fitted by a good gunsmith in a properly bedded stock with a decent trigger will be as accurate as a S&L (the lock time won’t have an affect on anything bar competition target shooting where they’re chasing 1/1000s of an MOA), but with that unrivalled confidence and satisfaction of ejecting and feeding only a CRF can provide, along with unrivalled class and multigenerational longevity.

Just to make you drewl Harry

 

[Essexsussex]

640’s virtually don’t exist in the UK, sadly. They suffered from split stocks at the tang generally. But, that’s not why of course.

1909’s are superb, esp for their tolerances and floorplate. But, these days you’ll have to break a military rifle to get the action, which is a shame. TT Proctor used them, and many, many US rifle builders did for some very fine sporters.

There are many other great mausers for custom rifles, including the DWM’s, ZG 47, VZ24 (older ones, esp the Persian ones by BRNO!), Standard Modell, etc.

The Peruvian DWM made is an intermediate and has the proper pear shaped bolt knob, wonderful action to work from. The stripper clip hump needs removal due to its size of course.

I have 3 1900s, one needs a rebarrel, one lives with my niece and the third is about to get a new stock I think and will be rigby-styled (possibly). Not Mauser-like which is why I still have a hankering for a 1640. The 1900s - The actions are smooth and they are cheap because no one seems to know of them. Feel like great rifles.

 

[HonestJohn]

I have 3 1900s, one needs a rebarrel, one lives with my niece and the third is about to get a new stock I think and will be rigby-styled (possibly). Not Mauser-like which is why I still have a hankering for a 1640. The 1900s - The actions are smooth and they are cheap because no one seems to know of them. Feel like great rifles.

Ahh, sorry, I thought you referred to Mauser 1909’s. I’d love a 1640! Will never find one here I fear.

 

[Essexsussex]

Ahh, sorry, I thought you referred to Mauser 1909’s. I’d love a 1640! Will never find one here I fear.

Ah! Thought 1909 was a mis-spell. Learn something every day! Going to Canada in a couple of months I think there are plenty of 1640s there.

 

[HonestJohn]

Ah! Thought 1909 was a mis-spell. Learn something every day! Going to Canada in a couple of months I think there are plenty of 1640s there.

There are, shjiteloads! One company, name fails me, imported thousands. Trade Ex???

 

[Essexsussex]

There are, shjiteloads! One company, name fails me, imported thousands. Trade Ex???

That’s them

 

[Scipio]

Ahh, sorry, I thought you referred to Mauser 1909’s. I’d love a 1640! Will never find one here I fear.

Come back home to Scandinavia and have a look mate, they are still around over here i am quite sure. In fact it wouldt surprise me if some quite nice ones were gettable for decent prices, as grand pa or dads old rifle gets sold, so that new plastic super duper adjustable rifles can be bougt for 4000-5000 + euro instead.

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[angusb1]

Come back home to Scandinavia and have a look mate, they are still around over here i am quite sure. In fact it wouldt surprise me if some quite nice ones were gettable for decent prices, as grand pa or dads old rifle gets sold, so that new plastic super duper adjustable rifles can be bougt for 4000-5000 + euro instead.

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[harrygrey382]

Just to make you drewl Harry

OMG yes - what an absolute beauty. Early model Type B? Hard to top that

Ahh, sorry, I thought you referred to Mauser 1909’s. I’d love a 1640! Will never find one here I fear.

A 1640 in 30-06 was my primary hunting rifle up until my recent 7x57 obsession. Lovely rifle, mine is a the pov-pack model - a 1640K with no checkering. In operation it has all the desirable 98ness apart from the flimsy feeling bolt stop. I bought it at Norman Clark before I moved out here 18 years ago - took some finding but I had my heart set on one.

ZG47 would currently to my list as the action I would most like, but they command silly prices here. Also from what I can tell slightly less refined than a good Oberndorf/1909 or even FN. Also nasty trigger.

If you can shoot it with a 7x57, you can shoot it with a 6x42.

Not so sure about this, a 162gr ELDM with a muzzle velocity of 2800fps (a safe load in my 7x57) could probably justify more scope seeing as it retains lethal velocity out to over 700m. Not that hunting that far is my thing, but some people have the skills

 

[4006836]

No, fairly similar amounts of cash. They may well be but I wouldn't be buying a £4k Mayfair action. FN Mauser action - circa £800, Pheonix or similar match barrel £1100, Bottom metal £300 - poss additional high end trigger £300 - so circa £2500 plus stock (about the same for the Shultz) - obv the Shultz does come with a stock for that money so you can use it right away - and then have a spare stock. Also, there are some fees for the gunsmith on top of this to consider. But it is not worlds apart - and as the build takes a bit of time you wouldn't necessarily have to stump up every penny in one go.

TBH I have never shot a Mauser 98 so I don't truly know how much I would enjoy it. I have cycled/dry fired a friend's Rigby - but it is in an Africa calibre so no opportunity to shoot it over here atm. I suspect that the S&L does trump it for utility - but the 98 has some romantic appeal.

Hi. I started with a sporterised mauser then moved on to a Sako. The thing I noticed most in use was you could actually notice the lock time in the mauser. It was enough to convince me that part of my improved field accuracy was due to the improved lock time. No doubt a high end commercial mauser wouldn't be the same as my ex military.

 

[Essexsussex]

Hi. I started with a sporterised mauser then moved on to a Sako. The thing I noticed most in use was you could actually notice the lock time in the mauser. It was enough to convince me that part of my improved field accuracy was due to the improved lock time. No doubt a high end commercial mauser wouldn't be the same as my ex military.

All this chat reminds me just to rebarrel my husqvarna 1900 7mm r m and be happy…desperate for a Mauser based rifle but no idea why!

 

[harrygrey382]

Hi. I started with a sporterised mauser then moved on to a Sako. The thing I noticed most in use was you could actually notice the lock time in the mauser. It was enough to convince me that part of my improved field accuracy was due to the improved lock time. No doubt a high end commercial mauser wouldn't be the same as my ex military.

What range were you shooting? I’d go out on a limb and suggest the lock time perception was placebo and there were other accuracy affecting factors. Military bolts are capable of exceptional accuracy and I feel the lock time issue is not an issue outside of F class

 

[harrygrey382]

All this chat reminds me just to rebarrel my husqvarna 1900 7mm r m and be happy…desperate for a Mauser based rifle but no idea why!

Don’t give up! A 98 action can’t be that hard to come by surely? 1900s are nice but they’re no 98/1640