Speeding and wrong info = FAC Revocation and Seizure

[sikamalc]

If you are doing 100 plus on a road you are more than likely going to loose your FAC.
Also I find it hard to believe that anyone would forget any other previous convictions when applying or renewing an FAC.
It states that you must be a responsible person on an FAC. Doing a ton and over on any road is not responsible.

 

[gixer1]

If you are doing 100 plus on a road you are more than likely going to loose your FAC.
Also I find it hard to believe that anyone would forget any other previous convictions when applying or renewing an FAC.
It states that you must be a responsible person on an FAC. Doing a ton and over on any road is not responsible.

Sorry. I disagree, A momentary lapse in concentration can get you above a ton on a modern car with a bit of go about it..100mph is nothing nowadays. Speed limits are out of date and need revised.

With modern cameras and detection you could overtake and get snapped at that.

Hardly crime of the century!

Regards,
Gixer

 

[finnbear270]

Trouble is, unless revision in law occurs, you break the current law take the consequences.

 

[Utectok]

Sorry. I disagree, A momentary lapse in concentration can get you above a ton on a modern car with a bit of go about it..100mph is nothing nowadays. Speed limits are out of date and need revised.

With modern cameras and detection you could overtake and get snapped at that.

Hardly crime of the century!

Regards,
Gixer

You must have some car buddy I’ve never driven anything that can accidentally go 100mph. Mind you in truth I’ve stuck to pretty basic cars that you know when they go over 70 as bits start to fall off lol

 

[Stalker62]

Sorry. I disagree, A momentary lapse in concentration can get you above a ton on a modern car with a bit of go about it..100mph is nothing nowadays. Speed limits are out of date and need revised.

If you are doing "above a ton" as a result of a momentary lapse is concentration?

It brings to mind two things.

1) A friend was stopped by the Police on the motorway.

"What speed do you think you were doing driver?"

"Honestly officer, I don't know, I wasn't concentrating"

"Well at 105 mph you bloody well should have been".


As I drive a Landrover, I have never been troubled by any speeding offences.

However.

2) I was issued with a variety of cars for work. One of them was an automatic Mercedes something or other, with a dreadful golden bronze finish. It had been seized off a drug dealer and HMG was re-cycling it.

I had a meeting in Essex, and as I pulled onto the M25 to wizz round there, I put my foot down to ensure I joined the motorway at an appropriate speed.
The damn thing went like a rocket and almost threw me into the back.

I eased right off, crept into Essex, had my meeting, went back to the office and handed the keys back to the fleet manager with a request for something less likely to kill me.

 

[gixer1]

If you are doing "above a ton" as a result of a momentary lapse is concentration?

It brings to mind two things.

1) A friend was stopped by the Police on the motorway.

"What speed do you think you were doing driver?"

"Honestly officer, I don't know, I wasn't concentrating"

"Well at 105 mph you bloody well should have been".


As I drive a Landrover, I have never been troubled by any speeding offences.

However.

2) I was issued with a variety of cars for work. One of them was an automatic Mercedes something or other, with a dreadful golden bronze finish. It had been seized off a drug dealer and HMG was re-cycling it.

I had a meeting in Essex, and as I pulled onto the M25 to wizz round there, I put my put down to ensure I joined the motorway at an appropriate speed.
The damn thing went like a rocket and almost threw me into the back.

I eased right off, crept into Essex, had my meeting, went back to the office and handed the keys back to the fleet manager with a request for something less likely to kill me.

Absolutely on the next thing - it’s just not that difficult to do - and I prefer people concentrate on the road ahead and what is happening around them rather than fixated on a speedometer to prevent a ticket - and there lies the problem with the new system - we have created zombies with cruise control set at 71mph who are more worried about the cameras and setting their cruise control than people who actually control, drive the vehicle and read the road or react to the situations around them.

On roads are a great example of where you are (and should be) looking out the window and in the mirrors and not fixated on the speedo however it’s a common place where people likely exceed the 70mph.

I’m genuinely surprised how many people feel exceeding a speed limit here is there is grounds to be unfit to have an FAC - I’m not talking about someone who goes bombing around constantly - but people who drive to the conditions whereby I believe built up areas are places where the police should hammer people, but motorways/DCS and national speed limits should have discretion applied and common sense, not hammered for 3mph above the limit.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[Free range rob]

I can’t believe people are arguing the speeding, he pled guilty !!!
Most laws are easy to break, it doesn’t mean it’s ok to do it

 

[gixer1]

You must have some car buddy I’ve never driven anything that can accidentally go 100mph. Mind you in truth I’ve stuck to pretty basic cars that you know when they go over 70 as bits start to fall off lol

Not really a fast car by comparison to what is out there but it wouldn’t struggle at all to top 100mph in a short space, and have owned a few bikes that will absolutely top 100mph in first gear - no drama at all.

Anyone who has driven a 2.0litre turbocharged type vehicle will know this.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[gixer1]

I can’t believe people are arguing the speeding, he pled guilty !!!
Most laws are easy to break, it doesn’t mean it’s ok to do it

Nobody is saying you can, what we are saying is that speeding is one where we need to apply some common sense at someone blipping above 70mph now and then is not one of the Krays….

 

[Utectok]

Not really a fast car by comparison to what is out there but it wouldn’t struggle at all to top 100mph in a short space, and have owned a few bikes that will absolutely top 100mph in first gear - no drama at all.

Anyone who has driven a 2.0litre turbocharged type vehicle will know this.

Regards,
Gixer

I have a turbo charged 2.5 litre diesel that definitely won’t go 100mph I know it is a landrover lol

 

[Free range rob]

Nobody is saying you can, what we are saying is that speeding is one where we need to apply some common sense at someone blipping above 70mph now and then is not one of the Krays….

I agree with the point it doesn’t make you a kray brother, but 100 even in a 70 is licence gone and rightly so with firearms as well, if you can’t control your speed better than that I’m afraid it’s tough titties, I had a car that does 160 but I still drive at 70 on motorways here, a slight error would possibly be 80, and I believe there is an unofficial +10% on speed limits to allow for minor discretions.
What I do think is wrong an outdated is the Highway Code AND some speed limits (70 on a m/way) cars now are so much different to when this limit was introduced, and braking distances are no longer relevant in Highway Code, but that’s a whole different argument, the limit is the limit, and if he was doing 100+ even in a 70, =no excuse

 

[Stalker62]

I believe there is an unofficial +10% on speed limits to allow for minor discretions.

I seem to recall 10% plus 3 mph.

These guys are the experts...

 

[Free range rob]

I seem to recall 10% plus 3 mph.

Yes I had heard that as well

 

[Utectok]

Seems to me speeding aside its safer to obey the speed limits. People who don’t obey them say “I’m a brilliant driver in a brilliant car accidents don’t happen to me.” I dragged someone out of a rolled car once and all he could say was I have a great car with new tires on… and I’m like you were doing 85mph when you passed me in the ****in rain what did you expect. He was ok luckily.

 

[sy247]

Something i found odd is that Vinny Jones is an avid shooter - which is great, but obviously he was known for being violent on the pitch, told stories about how he intended to commit suicide and his dog stopped him apparently - all things you would think would be red flags for an FEO.

Regards,
Gixer

He had his FAC revoked

 

[sy247]

On the subject of fessing up to everything, are people including arrests? After all its not a conviction and isn't asked for on the form

It is not a question on the form so doesn't need to be answered. They already know if you have been arrested anyway.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Yep and a certain “beefy” cricket legend and well known supporter of shooting has a drugs conviction……

 

[Highfield]

i guess those of you defending the speeding have never lost a loved one as a result of some pricks driving. i have twice. hopefully the next time he will get a 5 year driving ban as well as losing his gun licence. sorry no sympathy hear.

 

[gixer1]

Seems to me speeding aside its safer to obey the speed limits. People who don’t obey them say “I’m a brilliant driver in a brilliant car accidents don’t happen to me.” I dragged someone out of a rolled car once and all he could say was I have a great car with new tires on… and I’m like you were doing 85mph when you passed me in the ****in rain what did you expect. He was ok luckily.

That’s a bad decision though - as you said, raining and he was overtaking…I agree with people being prosecuted if they are making poor decisions, but on a dry summers day with good visibility and a roadworthy vehicle hammering someone for 4mph above the limit seems silly.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[gixer1]

I agree with the point it doesn’t make you a kray brother, but 100 even in a 70 is licence gone and rightly so with firearms as well, if you can’t control your speed better than that I’m afraid it’s tough titties, I had a car that does 160 but I still drive at 70 on motorways here, a slight error would possibly be 80, and I believe there is an unofficial +10% on speed limits to allow for minor discretions.
What I do think is wrong an outdated is the Highway Code AND some speed limits (70 on a m/way) cars now are so much different to when this limit was introduced, and braking distances are no longer relevant in Highway Code, but that’s a whole different argument, the limit is the limit, and if he was doing 100+ even in a 70, =no excuse

Well, by that thinking 80mph is above the limit so should be the same then…it’s still breaking the law!

As I said - I feel he has an excuse, whether it will be accepted is another thing.

The problem we have is that we are says by it be or two poor decisions define a person and they should not have guns - ridiculous if the guy is 45-50 any has a relatively clean record.

I know of a person who had a clean license and was then busted for speeding twice in advance me day! One location was where a speed limit was changed within the 2 months before and the second was on the A9 with average speed cameras. He is not a danger to anyone but had an off day.

Regards,
Gixer