steviemaysa
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hi had a luck at some fc ground to join a syndicate today 4 x guns 30 roe cull any red in season, 1000 plus vat per gun, getting stupid
stalking getting to pricey
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steviemaysa
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hi forgot to say it was under 2000 acrs aswell.
tom308w
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hi steve the prices seem to have gone up the last few years. the fc just seem to do what they want regarding price and there a lot of people chasing it i dont know who things are going to go as a lot of leases the have let have a lot of syndicate members with level 1 and under there new rules you can only stalk with a level 2 with you and then for only a year so as these leases come for renewal they may struggle to get them taken up .
atb tom reveley
btw im from tyneside as well
atb tom reveley
btw im from tyneside as well
This will go the way of the banking crisis I feel, all of a sudden the arse will drop out of it! Just might not happen before me knees give out though!
sikamalc
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Someone I know has just reputedly paid £3000 for 1000 acres near Standstead. That is a great deal of money, and it was through a land agent.
I have to admit if you have land these days and you pay nothing for it, consider yourself lucky. As stalking gets more popular prices are going to rise, although the FC have always asked silly prices.
I have to admit if you have land these days and you pay nothing for it, consider yourself lucky. As stalking gets more popular prices are going to rise, although the FC have always asked silly prices.
Mannlicher_Stu
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This will go the way of the banking crisis I feel, all of a sudden the arse will drop out of it! Just might not happen before me knees give out though!
It will indeed especially more so in Scotland when the new ruling of DSC2 requirements take hold.
Out of the 3000 listed DSC2 holders half of those either are employed by the forest companies or spread throughout the country also a lot of the dsc2 holders are old school and retired from stalking which in my view only leaves 1500 possible punters throughout the uk who may be interested half of those will be included within their own syndications so it dosent take a lot of brains to work out that the major lease holders will be far and few between, basically because he needs to fill the syndicate places with dsc2 qualified stalkers , or maybe I have it wrong
sikamalc
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Hmm yes Caprelous, I am afraid you are probably right. This is a ridiculous situation, which with the new rules on having 3 AW'S to sign off your portfolio is going to make it even harder in the future.
I have had Level 2 for some years, so it will not affect me and my major lease in the highlands, but on the other hand with the small amount of those holding Level 2 they will find it harder to find any takers to fill the leases I would think.
Sikamalc
I have had Level 2 for some years, so it will not affect me and my major lease in the highlands, but on the other hand with the small amount of those holding Level 2 they will find it harder to find any takers to fill the leases I would think.
Sikamalc
Moe 243
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Been involed in 3 FC leases in the past, you will pay top dollar for any FC ground, not mention all the rules and regs you have to adhere to,"some over the top"
Plus they are still in control of the ground at all times. And may stop you stalking at any time. They stopped us for 2 weeks in July/August once so some bl**dy motorcycle club could hold a trial through the forest "while the Bucks & Sika stags were in season" made us not to happy chappies i'll tell you. We termanated the lease the next year.
So be warned!!!!
Moe...
Plus they are still in control of the ground at all times. And may stop you stalking at any time. They stopped us for 2 weeks in July/August once so some bl**dy motorcycle club could hold a trial through the forest "while the Bucks & Sika stags were in season" made us not to happy chappies i'll tell you. We termanated the lease the next year.
So be warned!!!!
Moe...
Mannlicher_Stu
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My stalking partner and myself was involved with a couple of leases controlled by the F.C in Scotland and the hastle isnt worth dealing with i can tell you , your quite correct they can stop you stalking at any time and also they can go in at any time night shooting it and you have no re address, further you have to notify the ranger prior to entry and again before exiting the leased property . I can understand the safety logic behind that but it becomes inpracticble in areas without mobile phone coverage, also the hoo ah involved if you want to install any form of high seats etc etc etc
Financially they let it for 3 years and no matter how much you carry out work to improve the stalking by clearing rides etc and other work at your own expense they do not consider those points and put it out to tender , that fact on its own does not lend itself to good forest managment because in my view creating a better and sustainable deer control is important and by what they are doing does not give any sustainable encouragement to any would be controller or manager to put the work in to improve the leased land if he knows hes going to loose it at a greater price for his efforts.
Personally they arnt worth dealing with, other forestry enterprises show a more understanding pf deer management and control the Forestry Commision only think about how much money can be made out of it.
Just my Honest opinion others may feel different about dealings with them
Financially they let it for 3 years and no matter how much you carry out work to improve the stalking by clearing rides etc and other work at your own expense they do not consider those points and put it out to tender , that fact on its own does not lend itself to good forest managment because in my view creating a better and sustainable deer control is important and by what they are doing does not give any sustainable encouragement to any would be controller or manager to put the work in to improve the leased land if he knows hes going to loose it at a greater price for his efforts.
Personally they arnt worth dealing with, other forestry enterprises show a more understanding pf deer management and control the Forestry Commision only think about how much money can be made out of it.
Just my Honest opinion others may feel different about dealings with them
mmmmmmmmm reminds me or the time I was driving the extraction lorry for Lorn Sawmills. I headed off to the forest in LochGair for timber as usual. The manager used to sign me 5 tickets at a time so I could just go and collect. I went down the forest. The road had just been graded and rolled. I duely loaded my timber and was on the way out when the manager and half a dozen suits turned up. What the hell did I think I was doing. Getting my timber was not the right answer. The track had been graded and rolled for the Scottish rally to come through. They dont like the marks left by 32 ton of timber artic, woops,
jim
jim
Malc
That bit of ground has been doing the rounds for the last 5-6 years that I know of. Just waiting for someone with deep enough pockets to be tempted to pay the price demanded. Only problem is every man and his dog also knows where it is. If you get my where I'm heading.
Everyone needs to remember one fact when dealing with the FC. The FC have one single simple remit, make money! Everything else is a secondary consideration. How they make that money is an entirely differnt discussion.
What you have to remember is the government want to off load them to a commercial business. They came very close to being sold off along with the utility companies about 10 years ago. The only thing that stopped that going thru was they were so unprofitable that no one would have brought them, and it would have proved a mighty embarrassment fr the suits down in Whitehall and those temporarily occupying numbers 10 and 11 Downing St.
The civil servants plan to divest themselves of this financial burden known as the FC hasn't been scrapped it has merely been put on the back burned whilst the FC are tasked with putting their house keeping in order, riding themselves of any and all surplus head count, maximising their assets, and improving their profit-abilities, GM's and balance sheets. Once that has been achieved to a sufficient level they will be offered into the open market, and they only have a given time period in which to do it other wise certain people will be out of a job.
The major problem they face is no one has managed to make large scale forestry in the UK significantly profitable. We don't have the markets, we don't have the infer-structure and we don't have the product.
what we do have is an increasing number of desperate people seeking any opportunity to chase a deer around the countryside, who are willing to pay way over the odds for it, put up with increasingly onerous terms and conditions and have to spend a small fortune trying to get the right bits of worthless paper signed off simply to get on the merry go round.
Good luck as those hoping to get on and those already on as you are going to get increasingly shafted for the pleasure of the ride.
Just remember the next time you enter into discussions with the FC they don't did a tinkers cuss about you or your problem, hopes, dreams, or commitments. to the job in hand or the package and programme as a whole. You're insignificant as far as they are concerned. If they tell you any different make sure you check that they haven't got their fingers crossed.
What you have to remember is the government want to off load them to a commercial business. They came very close to being sold off along with the utility companies about 10 years ago. The only thing that stopped that going thru was they were so unprofitable that no one would have brought them, and it would have proved a mighty embarrassment fr the suits down in Whitehall and those temporarily occupying numbers 10 and 11 Downing St.
The civil servants plan to divest themselves of this financial burden known as the FC hasn't been scrapped it has merely been put on the back burned whilst the FC are tasked with putting their house keeping in order, riding themselves of any and all surplus head count, maximising their assets, and improving their profit-abilities, GM's and balance sheets. Once that has been achieved to a sufficient level they will be offered into the open market, and they only have a given time period in which to do it other wise certain people will be out of a job.
The major problem they face is no one has managed to make large scale forestry in the UK significantly profitable. We don't have the markets, we don't have the infer-structure and we don't have the product.
what we do have is an increasing number of desperate people seeking any opportunity to chase a deer around the countryside, who are willing to pay way over the odds for it, put up with increasingly onerous terms and conditions and have to spend a small fortune trying to get the right bits of worthless paper signed off simply to get on the merry go round.
Good luck as those hoping to get on and those already on as you are going to get increasingly shafted for the pleasure of the ride.
Just remember the next time you enter into discussions with the FC they don't did a tinkers cuss about you or your problem, hopes, dreams, or commitments. to the job in hand or the package and programme as a whole. You're insignificant as far as they are concerned. If they tell you any different make sure you check that they haven't got their fingers crossed.
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steviemaysa
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the lease holder also told us it had red on the ground, but i spoke to the fc ranger for that area and he informed me that he has never seen red on that ground. alot of these people that hold the lease and are putting syndicates together are just rip off merchants and inflate costs, never met an onist one yet. stalking has become so curupt.
Sako 75 243
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Hi
Where abouts is the syndicate you are referring to.
Where abouts is the syndicate you are referring to.
steviemaysa
Active Member
the ground is in ayrshire, the forest is called mossdale. cudnt luck around it coz the current syndicate were stalking for the last time, just think £1170 for 2000 acrs of roe stalking is well over the top, you would expect something els on the cull sheet for that sort of money.
Gazza
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I know that there can be "problems" with Fc ground but they are not responsible for the price leases go for. I recently looked at a bit of Fc ground and was surprised at just how far some guys had travelled to view and obviously would be prepared to travel to stalk if they were successful. One guy I spoke with was from Sheffield. From what he was saying around his home area to get stalking was almost impossible as potential lease holders were bidding as much as ten times the suggested price. I would assume that this practice goes on all over. These over inflated bids then reflect in the syndicate price but there appears to be no end to the stalkers who are prepared (forced, probably a better word) to pay over the odds just so that they have somewhere to enjoy there sport.
There are also some horror stories of guys taking on a syndicate rifle and being told by the lease holder that there are x number of rifles on the ground only to find out at a later time that there are 3 times that number.
Not just the Fc who are trying to make a killing.
There are also some horror stories of guys taking on a syndicate rifle and being told by the lease holder that there are x number of rifles on the ground only to find out at a later time that there are 3 times that number.
Not just the Fc who are trying to make a killing.
dieseldan
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The FC land in Scotland is bought by very few chosen individuals, who then lease it on at a profit (hence large fees to you and me).
they simply out bid all and sundry and fill it with desperate rifles. There was around 10 leases went out on CDROM in february from the FC for the Scottish borders, if you want ot know who bought them look in the stalking section. Not trying to be inflammatory here and if you want to delete this post feel free. But facts are facts
they simply out bid all and sundry and fill it with desperate rifles. There was around 10 leases went out on CDROM in february from the FC for the Scottish borders, if you want ot know who bought them look in the stalking section. Not trying to be inflammatory here and if you want to delete this post feel free. But facts are facts
Mannlicher_Stu
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good point
ash243
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it is not just stalking that is getting expensive unfortunately stalking fishing etc are now measured as a commodity and not as a pastime or hobby any more people see it as a way to make money and what they ask for for a lease is im afraid the price if you wont pay it someone will and be happy to. To join a carp syndicate in Kent etc is more than a grand for a year now and you cant eat them if you have or own something someone will always pay to use it if they want it. A lot of people on here have assess to vast areas of good stalking for free but how many posts are people putting on here I have lost my land because it has been sold or Ive been out bid or told i now have to pay £5000 to keep what i had for free.
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