Steel shot being ingested

I'd settle for five birds to a muzzleloader than any amount driven with a suppository gun @dunwater
View attachment 369511View attachment 369512View attachment 369513View attachment 369514View attachment 369515
Note in the photos I show my face. Also note I am alone.
I'm not sprinkling tons of lead on my land but I am being asked to pay for the error of egotistical greed!
I’d like to try it sometime, but the powder is almost impossible to get your hands on legally here.
I have to make do with what I’ve got.
Which actually isn’t too shabby….IMG_0265.webp
IMG_0012.webp
 
Hi Conor

Eddie's post and my response to it didn't mention lead shot.

I know we shouldn't believe everything we read on t'internet, but......
I don't understand. The concern raised was steel shot not lead shot. The advice sheet off internet you have posted is for implants. The medical advice I have posted is for ingested steel shot.
 
I don't understand. The concern raised was steel shot not lead shot. The advice sheet off internet you have posted is for implants. The medical advice I have posted is for ingested steel shot.
Slip of the tongue, I meant steel shot.

Indeed, your latter two sentences confirm we were not discussing the same thing (neither Eddie nor I mentioned shot of any description) so your reference was irrelevent to my post. We had simply wandered slightly of topic to mention metal objects.

Anyway, no big deal.
 
Thanks. And further to that the Society and College of Radiographers informed BASC that to their knowledge there have been no reported incidents of harm caused by ingested steel shot during an MRI scan in the UK. However, the steel shot could cause image distortion during the MRI scan and for that reason if you think you have ingested steel shot before your scan you should let the staff in the MRI department know before your appointment.

I don't see what there is to be concerned about as regards MRIs and steel shot in light of advice from medical experts.

Also, worth noting that there have been no recorded incidents of harm caused by ingested steel shot during an MRI scan in Denmark or USA where steel shot has been used for decades for live quarry shooting.
Just further to this, I've done a bit of a literature search and the only concern for MRI is ferro-magnetic metals that are implanted in the body (surgical or accidental). Metal splinters in the eye are a big worry. There is nothing about steel shot one might have eaten. If one did eat steel shot, one would crap it out - with a few rare exceptions and they would not be likely to penetrate through the gut wall during an MRI.
So it's not a reason to not use steel shot.
 
Thanks. And further to that the Society and College of Radiographers informed BASC that to their knowledge there have been no reported incidents of harm caused by ingested steel shot during an MRI scan in the UK. However, the steel shot could cause image distortion during the MRI scan and for that reason if you think you have ingested steel shot before your scan you should let the staff in the MRI department know before your appointment.

I don't see what there is to be concerned about as regards MRIs and steel shot in light of advice from medical experts.

Also, worth noting that there have been no recorded incidents of harm caused by ingested steel shot during an MRI scan in Denmark or USA where steel shot has been used for decades for live quarry shooting.

Hi Conor
I did see that thank you
But could you post the article / research from Dr Potts - which your article regarding partridge chicks refers please?
 
Not quite sure what you are asking as the thread has become a tad obtuse after your reasonable original question. If it's asking if steel shot can migrate from intestine during MRI, I don't know, and I doubt it. I've had puppies eat needles and them pass through so I doubt a bit of shot, round-ish, will get through the gut wall. It's quite thick and tough as anyone who has eaten chitterlings will tell you!

There is concern about steel shot moving in the body
And as i say - i wonder if "we" could not simply dispel lots of concerns by having it contain steel shot / maybe use a number of carcasses - at varying depths and locations ?
 
@jall55 I would rather focus on steel shot in this thread rather than go off on another tangent about lead shot.

The OP was namely about what happens when steel shot is ingested by birds and there are no reported adverse impacts on birds whether in scientific studies or anecdotally that any of us has come up with. There has also been a discussion on what happens to steel shot that a human has ingested during a MRI and the medical advice is that this could result in image distortion, and there are no reported incidents of harm caused.
 
@jall55 I would rather focus on steel shot in this thread rather than go off on another tangent about lead shot.

The OP was namely about what happens when steel shot is ingested by birds and there are no reported adverse impacts on birds whether in scientific studies or anecdotally that any of us has come up with. There has also been a discussion on what happens to steel shot that a human has ingested during a MRI and the medical advice is that this could result in image distortion, and there are no reported incidents of harm caused.

Why would that be ?
We are now discussing research evidencing partridge chicks being killed that's all over social media but we cant see the report ?
 
There is concern about steel shot moving in the body
And as i say - i wonder if "we" could not simply dispel lots of concerns by having it contain steel shot / maybe use a number of carcasses - at varying depths and locations ?
To save me trawling back through posts, what are you referring to in "steel shot moving through the body"? Is this shot fired into an animal, or that eaten by an animal/human. I've got a bit confused
 
To save me trawling back through posts, what are you referring to in "steel shot moving through the body"? Is this shot fired into an animal, or that eaten by an animal/human. I've got a bit confused

People have mentioned about shot travelling in the body once eaten
 
@jall55 I would rather focus on steel shot in this thread rather than go off on another tangent about lead shot.

The OP was namely about what happens when steel shot is ingested by birds and there are no reported adverse impacts on birds whether in scientific studies or anecdotally that any of us has come up with. There has also been a discussion on what happens to steel shot that a human has ingested during a MRI and the medical advice is that this could result in image distortion, and there are no reported incidents of harm caused.
[/QUOTE]

@Conor O'Gorman

Conor can you send the report through from Dr Potts please - its vital really in this whole debate - I would like to share it amongst my syndicate
 
Slip of the tongue, I meant steel shot.

Indeed, your latter two sentences confirm we were not discussing the same thing (neither Eddie nor I mentioned shot of any description) so your reference was irrelevent to my post. We had simply wandered slightly of topic to mention metal objects.

Anyway, no big deal.
Thanks, that makes sense on both points. Thanks for clarifying as I was wondering!
 
Shot would travel though the gut and out again. There are unusual cases of pellets remaining in the appendix, but even if they did, they would not be pulled through by an MRI.
So, in absolute fairness, I did some more trawling. There is a case of a child who ate some small magnets, which the parents didn't know about, who had an MRI for a different reason. The child developed signs of a gut perforation about 24hours later and the paper felt the MRI might have had an impact. However, in discussing this with a radiologist we both think it was more likely to be the magnets sticking to each other with gut in between and the pressure cause the perforation - which is well documented. His opinion on spherical shot penetrating the gut wall was "Not sure, unlikely, have to feed it to a pig to find out" (which has been done for fish bones to find out which type of fish bones are visible on XRay).

So, it might be possible, but is very unlikely. Critically, it's not a reason to cite for continuing to use lead.
 
So, in absolute fairness, I did some more trawling. There is a case of a child who ate some small magnets, which the parents didn't know about, who had an MRI for a different reason. The child developed signs of a gut perforation about 24hours later and the paper felt the MRI might have had an impact. However, in discussing this with a radiologist we both think it was more likely to be the magnets sticking to each other with gut in between and the pressure cause the perforation - which is well documented. His opinion on spherical shot penetrating the gut wall was "Not sure, unlikely, have to feed it to a pig to find out" (which has been done for fish bones to find out which type of fish bones are visible on XRay).

So, it might be possible, but is very unlikely. Critically, it's not a reason to cite for continuing to use lead.

Thanks
With the last month spent researching and reviewing we have decided we are going steel on our shoot
Last year we would have shot maybe 5/6000 cartridges and the same on clay days - so for us it will make sense - even though all game is taken home and eaten i really want to have as much positive and as little detrimental effect on the environment as possible
 
Thanks
With the last month spent researching and reviewing we have decided we are going steel on our shoot
Last year we would have shot maybe 5/6000 cartridges and the same on clay days - so for us it will make sense - even though all game is taken home and eaten i really want to have as much positive and as little detrimental effect on the environment as possible
Whoever made the decision get insurance for litigation when someone needs the dentist 👍🏻
 
Thanks
With the last month spent researching and reviewing we have decided we are going steel on our shoot
Last year we would have shot maybe 5/6000 cartridges and the same on clay days - so for us it will make sense - even though all game is taken home and eaten i really want to have as much positive and as little detrimental effect on the environment as possible
Biodegradable wads also then.
 
This whole argument on eating steel shot really comes down to food preparation. You need to look at the bird and decide how best to cook it and if possible remove the shot. To be honest, its not a lot of difference whether its steel, bismuth or lead, if you peparing game dishes you either take out the shot as you preparing or carving the bird. Or you warn your guests as to the potential of shot.

The difference between steel and lead, is that iron naturally occurs in blood and meat, and you need it as part of your diet to remain healthy. Lead on the other hand has no positive function in living tissues. It just buggers up many of the functions within the body various systems.
 
Back
Top