Dunwaters
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I’d like to try it sometime, but the powder is almost impossible to get your hands on legally here.
I have to make do with what I’ve got.
Which actually isn’t too shabby….
Steel shot being ingested
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I have to make do with what I’ve got.
Which actually isn’t too shabby….
Conor O'Gorman
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I don't understand. The concern raised was steel shot not lead shot. The advice sheet off internet you have posted is for implants. The medical advice I have posted is for ingested steel shot.
Slip of the tongue, I meant steel shot.
Indeed, your latter two sentences confirm we were not discussing the same thing (neither Eddie nor I mentioned shot of any description) so your reference was irrelevent to my post. We had simply wandered slightly of topic to mention metal objects.
Anyway, no big deal.
Just further to this, I've done a bit of a literature search and the only concern for MRI is ferro-magnetic metals that are implanted in the body (surgical or accidental). Metal splinters in the eye are a big worry. There is nothing about steel shot one might have eaten. If one did eat steel shot, one would crap it out - with a few rare exceptions and they would not be likely to penetrate through the gut wall during an MRI.
So it's not a reason to not use steel shot.
Hi Conor
I did see that thank you
But could you post the article / research from Dr Potts - which your article regarding partridge chicks refers please?
There is concern about steel shot moving in the body
And as i say - i wonder if "we" could not simply dispel lots of concerns by having it contain steel shot / maybe use a number of carcasses - at varying depths and locations ?
Conor O'Gorman
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@jall55 I would rather focus on steel shot in this thread rather than go off on another tangent about lead shot.
The OP was namely about what happens when steel shot is ingested by birds and there are no reported adverse impacts on birds whether in scientific studies or anecdotally that any of us has come up with. There has also been a discussion on what happens to steel shot that a human has ingested during a MRI and the medical advice is that this could result in image distortion, and there are no reported incidents of harm caused.
The OP was namely about what happens when steel shot is ingested by birds and there are no reported adverse impacts on birds whether in scientific studies or anecdotally that any of us has come up with. There has also been a discussion on what happens to steel shot that a human has ingested during a MRI and the medical advice is that this could result in image distortion, and there are no reported incidents of harm caused.
Why would that be ?
We are now discussing research evidencing partridge chicks being killed that's all over social media but we cant see the report ?
To save me trawling back through posts, what are you referring to in "steel shot moving through the body"? Is this shot fired into an animal, or that eaten by an animal/human. I've got a bit confused
People have mentioned about shot travelling in the body once eaten
@jall55 I would rather focus on steel shot in this thread rather than go off on another tangent about lead shot.
The OP was namely about what happens when steel shot is ingested by birds and there are no reported adverse impacts on birds whether in scientific studies or anecdotally that any of us has come up with. There has also been a discussion on what happens to steel shot that a human has ingested during a MRI and the medical advice is that this could result in image distortion, and there are no reported incidents of harm caused.
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@Conor O'Gorman
Conor can you send the report through from Dr Potts please - its vital really in this whole debate - I would like to share it amongst my syndicate
The OP was namely about what happens when steel shot is ingested by birds and there are no reported adverse impacts on birds whether in scientific studies or anecdotally that any of us has come up with. There has also been a discussion on what happens to steel shot that a human has ingested during a MRI and the medical advice is that this could result in image distortion, and there are no reported incidents of harm caused.
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@Conor O'Gorman
Conor can you send the report through from Dr Potts please - its vital really in this whole debate - I would like to share it amongst my syndicate
Shot would travel though the gut and out again. There are unusual cases of pellets remaining in the appendix, but even if they did, they would not be pulled through by an MRI.
Conor O'Gorman
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Thanks, that makes sense on both points. Thanks for clarifying as I was wondering!
So, in absolute fairness, I did some more trawling. There is a case of a child who ate some small magnets, which the parents didn't know about, who had an MRI for a different reason. The child developed signs of a gut perforation about 24hours later and the paper felt the MRI might have had an impact. However, in discussing this with a radiologist we both think it was more likely to be the magnets sticking to each other with gut in between and the pressure cause the perforation - which is well documented. His opinion on spherical shot penetrating the gut wall was "Not sure, unlikely, have to feed it to a pig to find out" (which has been done for fish bones to find out which type of fish bones are visible on XRay).
So, it might be possible, but is very unlikely. Critically, it's not a reason to cite for continuing to use lead.
Thanks
With the last month spent researching and reviewing we have decided we are going steel on our shoot
Last year we would have shot maybe 5/6000 cartridges and the same on clay days - so for us it will make sense - even though all game is taken home and eaten i really want to have as much positive and as little detrimental effect on the environment as possible
Smellydog
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Whoever made the decision get insurance for litigation when someone needs the dentist
Whoever made the decision get insurance for litigation when someone needs the dentist
I know pal - we also have lots of water and more by the week - and it will allow us greater flexibility in that regard
Biodegradable wads also then.
Heym SR20
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This whole argument on eating steel shot really comes down to food preparation. You need to look at the bird and decide how best to cook it and if possible remove the shot. To be honest, its not a lot of difference whether its steel, bismuth or lead, if you peparing game dishes you either take out the shot as you preparing or carving the bird. Or you warn your guests as to the potential of shot.
The difference between steel and lead, is that iron naturally occurs in blood and meat, and you need it as part of your diet to remain healthy. Lead on the other hand has no positive function in living tissues. It just buggers up many of the functions within the body various systems.
The difference between steel and lead, is that iron naturally occurs in blood and meat, and you need it as part of your diet to remain healthy. Lead on the other hand has no positive function in living tissues. It just buggers up many of the functions within the body various systems.
Dunwaters
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Many of the contributors to this thread make exactly the same arguments for lead.
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