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This Page is [ARCHIVED CONTENT] and shows what the site page http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/tb/pdf/deer-survey2008.pdf looked like on 22 Aug 2013 at 07:40:33
Antonyweeks
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Sorry, just jumping in on this. That's a great report from Jack. Really interesting reading. Since this study though would it be fair to say that the spread of TB could be significantly greater due to the boom in population of both fallow and red deed for example? So the chances of finding TB in a regular gralloch are potentially greater than previously? I stalk in the South West mainly and also mainly for red deer.
stalker.308
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Have been involved in voluntarily testing of deer in north wales for a number of years and not a single case of tb in mine or any of the study areas deer.
Dunwaters
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The area I stalk has been sampled with approximately 27% of wild deer testing positive, however that’s definitely not what you see. I normally come across one or two showing symptoms per season out of maybe 30 shot.
Not often mentioned, but I believe a factor in under reporting is shot placement, I personally routinely neck shoot, but others in the syndicate chest shoot everything.
I can confirm that it’s not easy to check a pair of lungs that have been partially disintegrated by bullet passage for anything, let alone clinical signs of TB.
My conclusion is that the clinical trial data is correct, we have 27% incidence in the herd, our detection rate of under 10% of deer harvested indicates that we are missing infection in around 2/3 ‘s of the infected animals we take.
Not a comforting thought.
Not often mentioned, but I believe a factor in under reporting is shot placement, I personally routinely neck shoot, but others in the syndicate chest shoot everything.
I can confirm that it’s not easy to check a pair of lungs that have been partially disintegrated by bullet passage for anything, let alone clinical signs of TB.
My conclusion is that the clinical trial data is correct, we have 27% incidence in the herd, our detection rate of under 10% of deer harvested indicates that we are missing infection in around 2/3 ‘s of the infected animals we take.
Not a comforting thought.
I am a little suspicious of the Roe in my area of Devon, only shot 2 bucks this year both with mange, really quite badly affected as well, have seen others affected. Opened both up (both head shots btw) and no obvious signs of TB on lungs although lymph nodes looked enlarged (possibly due to secondary infections?). The land around here has plenty of TB in cattle and I have this one permission where farmer has lost 50 head of dairy cows to BTB. Never seen mange in deer around here in over 40 years of shooting although the foxes get it periodically although this looks different.
I am just off for a couple of days when I get back I will put some photos up would be interested in what others with more experience in this area think?
I am just off for a couple of days when I get back I will put some photos up would be interested in what others with more experience in this area think?
Very interesting report, but if a new survey was carried out at the same sample sites, is it possible that there would be a lower prevalence of TB as the sample sites are likely to have been included in Badger culls since. Would this also, prove with greater accuracy, the percentage of direct deer - deer transmission or indicate that the presence of bTB infected badgers is a greater vector to deer??
tombowen1602
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Not all of us fall out the perfect tree like your self I struggle with my writing and spelling but I’m getting by in life but don’t need negative key board warriors like your self
shakey jake
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that should be fell out of the perfect tree, but well done that is alot better
Oh dear Shakey no Capitals used.See me after class.
shakey jake
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no body is perfect
Especially me.
My Firefox spellchecker doesn't seem to be working, so I am thinking of composing posts in MSword and using the spell and grammer checker(F7?) before copying it into an SD post.
cookingfat
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I have only seen TB on a couple of occasions in my 40 odd years of stalking, both times it’s been in fallow.
This one was a couple of years ago and showed no signs of having TB before the shot, it was neck shot so no damage to the lungs.
This one was a couple of years ago and showed no signs of having TB before the shot, it was neck shot so no damage to the lungs.
cookingfat
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Also I must admit as soon as I started to gralock this buck the smell told you there was something wrong!
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