As Ken Clarke said as he walked down the street just after leaving office, "I blame the government".
Maybe they should have sent a letter round.
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As Ken Clarke said as he walked down the street just after leaving office, "I blame the government".
Maybe they should have sent a letter round.
But only if you let them, Eddie the choice is yours.
Paul at Fechan
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This oil debate is stupid, it's to be extracted and the volumes, costs and values are highly variable. Would you bet your mortgage on the role of a dice??? well Salmond is so wake up... and in the new currency how will that work with your lender?? Sounds expensive to me...
Alex Salmond was instrumental in the collapse of RBS, he so desperately wanted a Scottish national bank that was to be a force to be reckoned with that he pushed for the Dutch deal that ultimately caused the collapse. This cost the UK economy £850Bn (that's BILLION, not million)
My question to YES voters is; Where is this vast amount of money going to come from when they do it with the Scottish economy? That's £170000 owed by every single scot.
I can't afford an independent Scotland.
My question to YES voters is; Where is this vast amount of money going to come from when they do it with the Scottish economy? That's £170000 owed by every single scot.
I can't afford an independent Scotland.
Paul at Fechan
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I don't think the UK can long term looking at things either
I'm a life long Tory supporter for their economic and civil liberties policies and the prospect of the next few decades with an all Tory government (which it would be without the Scottish labour seats) scares the **** out of me.
Almost as much as dodging the guards trying to get past Hadrians wall in The Socialist Salmond State.
Almost as much as dodging the guards trying to get past Hadrians wall in The Socialist Salmond State.
timbrayford
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Is it far easier to stay in the UK and let the English taxpayer underpin Scottish debts then?
Well, yes. That's my point.
waterford103
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I will vote no for various reasons and nothing that I have heard from wee eck and his cronies will ever give me the slightest hint that a yes vote will give me any surety of a better future for me or my family and to hear all the absolute mince that is spouted and believed by many just reaffirms that . To see the SNP jumping into bed with anyone who will help them along makes me sick and laugh at the same time-take Tommy Sheridan for example the only thing he had in common with Salmon up to now was both loving the sound of there own voice-the only "working class" man I know that has a permanent tan in the west of Scotland and a convicted liar to boot
I would say I fit the bill of working class perfectly-I grew up in the most densely populated council estate in Europe at the time my mum was a cleaner my dad a bricky ,no car,didn't,t have a phone until I got one myself when I started bringing in a wage as an apprentice sparky at 15 and I worked all the hours I could so I could eventually buy my own house which I did and have worked hard ever since to keep paying for it sometimes over 100 hours a week and in 26 years I have had 4 days of sick
Most of the boys I grew up with have followed roughly the same path because we all grew up the hard way and worked hard to get there and have a better life for our families and by getting there we knew that you had to get the head down and get on with it-no rich relatives to rely on or anything like that and without fail all these same guys will also vote no
What I sense recently is that all the wasters and no marks are swayed by the false promises and are riding along on the Utopia that Salmond has promised but has no idea of delivering and he is looking on himself as the Messiah who will deliver this country where the sun always shines and everybody whistles on there way to the job centre every week
What I imagine will happen if there is a yes vote is that Salmond will ride on the crest of the wave for a couple of years then disappear when the **** starts hitting the fan and everyone else will be left picking up the pieces and we will be left knocking on the people who we said we don,t need to see if they have any spare change who will rightly tell us to get tae f@@@!
Wales and Northern Ireland will do well out of the situation and why not
Theres no way the tartan&shortbread tourist industry can make up for the loss of jobs that will go with Faslane and what about the huge number of young scots who join the Armed Forces every year ?These jobs will never be replaced with the new tartan army
We all love to dream but in the cold light of day when reality bites it could be a very sore bite
I would say I fit the bill of working class perfectly-I grew up in the most densely populated council estate in Europe at the time my mum was a cleaner my dad a bricky ,no car,didn't,t have a phone until I got one myself when I started bringing in a wage as an apprentice sparky at 15 and I worked all the hours I could so I could eventually buy my own house which I did and have worked hard ever since to keep paying for it sometimes over 100 hours a week and in 26 years I have had 4 days of sick
Most of the boys I grew up with have followed roughly the same path because we all grew up the hard way and worked hard to get there and have a better life for our families and by getting there we knew that you had to get the head down and get on with it-no rich relatives to rely on or anything like that and without fail all these same guys will also vote no
What I sense recently is that all the wasters and no marks are swayed by the false promises and are riding along on the Utopia that Salmond has promised but has no idea of delivering and he is looking on himself as the Messiah who will deliver this country where the sun always shines and everybody whistles on there way to the job centre every week
What I imagine will happen if there is a yes vote is that Salmond will ride on the crest of the wave for a couple of years then disappear when the **** starts hitting the fan and everyone else will be left picking up the pieces and we will be left knocking on the people who we said we don,t need to see if they have any spare change who will rightly tell us to get tae f@@@!
Wales and Northern Ireland will do well out of the situation and why not
Theres no way the tartan&shortbread tourist industry can make up for the loss of jobs that will go with Faslane and what about the huge number of young scots who join the Armed Forces every year ?These jobs will never be replaced with the new tartan army
We all love to dream but in the cold light of day when reality bites it could be a very sore bite
Wapinschaw
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Right on the nail there corky, very well expressed.
Salmond is in a win-win position: if it's Yes: "I have delivered you salvation and FREEDOM!" After a few more years on the politician's gravy train, just before it all starts to go pear shaped, it will be "Now I'm going to retire and let someone else do the work." If it's NO, "You ungrateful bunch of b*******!" "I offered you deliverance and you reject it! I'm going to retire after a few more years on the politician's gravy train and let someone else do the work."
And either way anything that goes wrong for him, any negotiation point that is rejected, any association of nations that deny Scotland admission, every percentage devaluation of whatever currency he clutches at when it dawns that the Bank of England won't enter a currency union, and thus won't be the lender of last resort to bail out the profligate administration of a foreign country, will be the fault of them rotten b****** English Tories in Westminster.
Two weeks to go.
waterford103
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ditto what they both said - I have already voted NO , If the worst comes to pass I and my better half may vote with our feet rather than stay and endure the catastrophe that will surely follow , North Yorkshire looks good , anyone want to buy a a wee stone cottage and a acre in the New Salmond utopia ?
Well put guys
SL6.5
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When Norway gained its independence from Sweden many of the same fears and arguments prevailed, and interestingly many of the same problems of cultural divergence and perceived inappropriateness of the dominant partner's foreign policy existed for them too. So, you see there are precedents that have proven to be perfectly workable and in the interests of all. Of course these things bring their own individual problems but Scotland's dynamism and entrepreneurship has either been stifled or exported for too long. We are not England and we should not be held back any longer by English dominated, inappropriate solutions. The Union served us both well in the days of Empire. Those days are gone now.
I quite agree. But it works both ways. England should no longer be held back either by inappropriate Scottish dominated politics.
If Scots vote YES in a fortnight's time they should not participate in next year's general election nor in any UK referendum on EU membership. There is no villain in this piece and one should not be created. Scotland and England would simply be better apart.
deeangeo
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The labour unions and lengthy strikes in both Scotland and England have more to do with this than being part of the UK. As for domination, my view is that as a union we all support each other and remain 'Great' in an ever more difficult world. That's in spite of our politicians rather than because of them.
Personally, I'd be sorry to see any break up of the UK as it is, but if the 'Yes' voters believe Salmond - and remember he is a politician, but with an even bigger ego than most, then that's the way life goes. England, Wales & NI will manage perfectly well I'm sure. ATB
bobthedug
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Entreprenuership and dynamism been exported or stifled for to long? That sound like some line out of a ****speak modernist Braveheart movie.
Give examples please.
I am fortunate enough to know two people who are very wealthy and successful, one in retail the other in electronics. Neither of them share your views.
I am inclined to listen to people who have made their fortune through actually being dynamic and having business skill rather than politicians who have good oratory skills and are adept at completing expenses claims.
If the Parliament Building and the Tram fiasco are examples of being stifled then god help us if Salmond and his crew are running the whole show!
What concerns me about the Yes camp is the willingness to accept what is being churned out with absolutely no supporting evidence. Just use some emotive language and mention the suppression by our English neighbours!
Still we might all have our "freeeduummmm!!!"
I rest easy knowing my kids will have at least that.
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