The worst driven boar trip I've ever had - Anatolia Safaris
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sikamalc
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Had a great trip with George, I was on this one...
Hi Finny,
Great to see Willy there. He hunted in Scotland with me about 3 years back. He took Red Stag and Sika with me, and I am happy to see he had a great time with George and yourself.
Driven Boar is exciting. I also did a Red Stag trip with George. But I didnt get one. Plenty there, but the weather was far too hot at 27 degrees and they only rutted early and late in the day. Plus the woodland was very dense.
They even cleared a path of fallen leaves the night before so we didnt make so much noise the next day. That's what I call commitment.
Willy had a fantastic visit, If I really had to manufacture a complaint, it would be the old russian vintage truck some of us had a ride in, Think it was a design copy of the monoxide asphyixiation trucks from WWII, every time he pressed the accelerator pedal we all got a big serving,
John Gryphon
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and stray dogs can disrupt boar movements.
Love that line,its a keeper.
Love that line,its a keeper.
Osman Kındır
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Dear Hunters and Valued Community Members,
I am Osman Kındır, a licensed professional Tourist Guide and Hunter, as well as the President of the Turkish Hunting Companies Association. Since founding Anatolia Safari in 2006, we have maintained a 95% success rate in big game hunting across Türkiye.
I was disheartened to see a negative review regarding our services, as such feedback is rare for us. I would like to clarify some important points regarding the recent hunting experience to provide a complete perspective.
Firstly, we do not make guarantee agreements for driven hunts due to unpredictable external factors. The refund being requested was never promised in our contract, which was clearly understood from the outset. It is unfortunate to see this forum used as leverage against our company despite these pre-established terms. Such unfounded claims undermine the impartiality of this platform, and we trust the administrators to evaluate these accusations carefully.
The group of 15 hunters made their reservation after reviewing our detailed offer, which included hunting licenses, full-board accommodation for 5 nights, 4 days of driven hunting, transfers, guiding, ground fees, interpreters, and complete hunting organization. The agreed price was €2,781/£2,370.
It is crucial to note that neither our offer nor any written contract guaranteed a specific number of boars. We communicated via WhatsApp that our general expectation and calculation is approximately one boar per hunter per day, but we do not guarantee specific numbers due to several external factors:
Government Ownership of Hunting Areas: All hunting areas are government-owned, and access can change at any time. During this hunt, we were unable to access our originally planned area, which typically hosts numerous boar herds.
Weather Conditions: Factors such as wind, fog, rain, and snow significantly impact hunting success. On this occasion, fog severely limited visibility from several shooting positions.
Presence of Predators: Animals like wolves, foxes, bears, and stray dogs can disrupt boar movements.
Wild Boar Behavior: Wild boars can be unpredictable, especially during late rut periods when they gather in large herds.
The hunters' journey began with an early morning departure, arriving at Ankara airport at midnight. After customs procedures for firearms and transfers, they reached their accommodations around 3:00 AM, with a 7:00 AM wake-up call for hunting. Given the group's average age and the foggy conditions, the first day was particularly challenging.
When the group leader expressed concerns, we organized a night excursion to demonstrate the presence of boars in the area. We observed numerous animals and found abundant tracks throughout the hunting grounds. The beaters reported that several herds were driven toward the hunters' positions, but shots were not taken at critical moments. In driven hunts, a single strategic shot can significantly change the outcome.
Regarding accommodations, the group stayed at the Kızılcahamam Kaplıca Termal Hotel, where we arranged a private dining room with a fireplace for their comfort. We provided VIP service with a private chef preparing various meals each day, including traditional dishes and daily soups, salads, yogurt, and desserts.
During the hunt, fog limited visibility, and despite our efforts to demonstrate the presence of boars, the group was only able to shoot three boars. This outcome reflects the challenges we face in our hunting practices. For further context and as proof of what occurred during the hunt, you can review the details here:
https://www.anatoliasafari.com/en/wild-boar-driven-hunting-for-our-hunters-from-uk-15012025
Our company has a long history of successful hunts and satisfied clients. We hope this explanation provides a balanced view of the situation. Our website, www.anatoliasafari.com (currently under construction), showcases our services and past successful hunts.
We remain open to welcoming these hunters back for a repeat hunt to conclude this experience on a positive note.
Sincerely,
Osman Kındır
President, Anatolia Safari
Dear Hunters and Valued Community Members,
kingstonandy
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The difference between a good business reputation and a bad one lies in how you deal with the unhappy customers.
Your approach of offering excuses and blame shifting is a textbook example of how not to do it.
Your approach of offering excuses and blame shifting is a textbook example of how not to do it.
sikamalc
Administrator
New one on me too.
Osman Kındır
Member
Dear Hunters and Valued Community Members,
I am Osman Kındır, a licensed professional Tourist Guide and Hunter, as well as the President of the Turkish Hunting Companies Association. Since founding Anatolia Safari in 2006, we have maintained a 95% success rate in big game hunting across Türkiye.
I was disheartened to see a negative review regarding our services, as such feedback is rare for us. I would like to clarify some important points regarding the recent hunting experience to provide a complete perspective.
Firstly, we do not make guarantee agreements for driven hunts due to unpredictable external factors. The refund being requested was never promised in our contract, which was clearly understood from the outset. It is unfortunate to see this forum used as leverage against our company despite these pre-established terms. Such unfounded claims undermine the impartiality of this platform, and we trust the administrators to evaluate these accusations carefully.
The group of 15 hunters made their reservation after reviewing our detailed offer, which included hunting licenses, full-board accommodation for 5 nights, 4 days of driven hunting, transfers, guiding, ground fees, interpreters, and complete hunting organization. The agreed price was €2,781/£2,370.
It is crucial to note that neither our offer nor any written contract guaranteed a specific number of boars. We communicated via WhatsApp that our general expectation and calculation is approximately one boar per hunter per day, but we do not guarantee specific numbers due to several external factors:
Government Ownership of Hunting Areas: All hunting areas are government-owned, and access can change at any time. During this hunt, we were unable to access our originally planned area, which typically hosts numerous boar herds.
Weather Conditions: Factors such as wind, fog, rain, and snow significantly impact hunting success. On this occasion, fog severely limited visibility from several shooting positions.
Presence of Predators: Animals like wolves, foxes, bears, and stray dogs can disrupt boar movements.
Yaban Domuzu Davranışı: Yaban domuzları, özellikle büyük sürüler halinde toplandıkları geç rut dönemlerinde tahmin edilemez olabilir.
Avcıların yolculuğu sabahın erken saatlerinde yola çıkarak gece yarısı Ankara havalimanına vardı. Ateşli silahlar ve transferler için gümrük işlemlerinden sonra, saat 03:00 civarında konaklama yerlerine ulaştılar ve sabah 7:00'de avlanmak için uyandırma çağrısı yapıldı. Grubun yaş ortalaması ve sisli koşullar göz önüne alındığında, ilk gün özellikle zorluydu.
Grup lideri endişelerini dile getirdiğinde, bölgedeki yaban domuzlarının varlığını göstermek için bir gece gezisi düzenledik. Çok sayıda hayvanı gözlemledik ve avlanma alanları boyunca bol miktarda iz bulduk. Çırpıcılar, birkaç sürünün avcıların mevzilerine doğru sürüldüğünü, ancak kritik anlarda atış yapılmadığını bildirdi. Güdümlü avlarda, tek bir stratejik atış sonucu önemli ölçüde değiştirebilir.
Konaklama ile ilgili olarak, grup Kızılcahamam Kaplıca Termal Otel'de kaldı ve burada rahatları için şömineli özel bir yemek odası düzenledik. Geleneksel yemekler ve günlük çorbalar, salatalar, yoğurt ve tatlılar dahil olmak üzere her gün çeşitli yemekler hazırlayan özel bir şef ile VIP hizmet verdik.
Av sırasında sis görüşü sınırladı ve domuzların varlığını gösterme çabalarımıza rağmen, grup sadece üç domuzu vurabildi. Bu sonuç, avcılık uygulamalarımızda karşılaştığımız zorlukları yansıtıyor. Daha fazla bağlam ve av sırasında neler olduğuna dair kanıt olarak, ayrıntıları buradan inceleyebilirsiniz:
https://www.anatoliasafari.com/en/wild-boar-driven-hunting-for-our-hunters-from-uk-15012025
Şirketimiz başarılı avlar ve memnun müşteriler konusunda uzun bir geçmişe sahiptir. Umarız bu açıklama duruma dengeli bir bakış açısı sağlar. Web sitemiz, www.anatoliasafari.com (şu anda yapım aşamasında), hizmetlerimizi ve geçmişteki başarılı avlarımızı sergiliyor.
Bu deneyimi olumlu bir notla sonuçlandırmak için bu avcıları tekrar bir av için tekrar ağırlamaya açığız.
İçtenlikle
Osman Kındır
Başkan, Anatolia Safari
Sounds like a terrible trip. However with the increase in shooters now wanting to do driven boar that increase has been matched by the rise in the number of charlatans offering trips. You can see why lots of guys go back to the same ground or use the same agent as that way you have some history together. Did a trip to Turkey last year not many boar and terrible hotel. I have 3 trips booked this year so hopefully will get some decent hunting
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Plus you will see just as many wild Boar by the sound of it
Osman Kındır
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Having read the whole thread the facts are, 15 experienced hunters in 4 days of hunting shot 3 Boar. I don’t think your reply is going to entice many guys off SD to join you any time soon for a hunt in Turkey
Osman Kındır
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What is your suggestion for them to be happy?
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Shoot 60+ Boar and put them in a decent hotel, the hotel is less critical than the number of boar
Osman Kındır
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You can see the link of the Hotel they stayed. Geotermal hotel. very good service. You can see the pictures and contact the hotel. Please see the videos about hunt and the boar population. We offered them to repead the hunt. What can we do more? What is your Sugesstion?
I think you need to make good with Kingstonany who started the thread and is unhappy with his teams experience with you
Osman Kındır
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EMcC
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Some posts seemed to find the reference to 'stray Dogs' funny or unusual.
Turkey and the Turkish people have a dislike for dogs and there are many stray dogs almost everywhere.
I noticed when we were moving in to position, miles from anywhere, dogs came out to us looking for company or food and were ignored and in other cases shooed away.
If a hunt had taken place a few days before and the habit that the Turkish have of leaving the carcass for the wolves, bears or foxes, then if dogs finds it they will hang around and feed off of it too, so dogs hanging around an area where the hunters expect to see boar will lead to nothing but disappointment. I think that is what he may have been referring to.
Turkey and the Turkish people have a dislike for dogs and there are many stray dogs almost everywhere.
I noticed when we were moving in to position, miles from anywhere, dogs came out to us looking for company or food and were ignored and in other cases shooed away.
If a hunt had taken place a few days before and the habit that the Turkish have of leaving the carcass for the wolves, bears or foxes, then if dogs finds it they will hang around and feed off of it too, so dogs hanging around an area where the hunters expect to see boar will lead to nothing but disappointment. I think that is what he may have been referring to.
Hi all
RED ALERT
I was also on that boar hunt with Osman.
He now insists on adding insult to injury.
Yes,I'm 70 next birthday, fit as a fiddle and keen as mustard. Very little gets past me un noticed. I have vast hunting experience, Romania ,Hungary, Poland,Germany, Croatia, Scotland, England ,Morocco, south Africa, Botswana, Tanzania, Mozambique etc etc. Hopefully our leader will post your guaranteed numbers of pigs per hunter on here as you watsapped them to him.PLEASE fellow hunters be warned. €21000 a pig ,2 pigs=€42000
By the way I got one sight of a pig which I dispatched at 110 meters running in heavy cover.
We are all experienced hunters . We shot 66 pigs in 2 days in Croatia 3 months prior to TURKRY.There is a very valid reason to insist on being paid in full before the hunt begins.We were taken to ground that had no pigs for most of the drives over 4 days.
Yes,some of us are older, but we are straight ,honourable people.
Any honourable person would offer a substantial refund. The thought of going back to Osman for more of the same is a terrible insult.
NEVER AGAIN WILL I HUNT IN TURKEY
RED ALERT
I was also on that boar hunt with Osman.
He now insists on adding insult to injury.
Yes,I'm 70 next birthday, fit as a fiddle and keen as mustard. Very little gets past me un noticed. I have vast hunting experience, Romania ,Hungary, Poland,Germany, Croatia, Scotland, England ,Morocco, south Africa, Botswana, Tanzania, Mozambique etc etc. Hopefully our leader will post your guaranteed numbers of pigs per hunter on here as you watsapped them to him.PLEASE fellow hunters be warned. €21000 a pig ,2 pigs=€42000
By the way I got one sight of a pig which I dispatched at 110 meters running in heavy cover.
We are all experienced hunters . We shot 66 pigs in 2 days in Croatia 3 months prior to TURKRY.There is a very valid reason to insist on being paid in full before the hunt begins.We were taken to ground that had no pigs for most of the drives over 4 days.
Yes,some of us are older, but we are straight ,honourable people.
Any honourable person would offer a substantial refund. The thought of going back to Osman for more of the same is a terrible insult.
NEVER AGAIN WILL I HUNT IN TURKEY
Jagare
Well-Known Member
If your shooting a driven day on an area that had been shot a few days before then your not going to have a good day, feral dogs or not.
I saw plenty of feral dogs in town in Turkey, but not one while out hunting. Saw very few boar as well.
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