This years fawns?

[Sol]

Can these be shot right this second? I seen a post on social media of someone shooting one, I dont think its legal this time of year right? I was under the impression regardless of sex they fall under the doe season until the buck season opens the following year for male kids.

 

[jcampbellsmith]

Have a read of Deer authorisations
Regards
JCS

 

[slider]

Where? In Scotland Females and Juveniles can be culled under the General Authorisation from 1st Sept

 

[jcampbellsmith]

Can these be shot right this second? I seen a post on social media of someone shooting one, I dont think its legal this time of year right? I was under the impression regardless of sex they fall under the doe season until the buck season opens the following year for male kids.

There is no buck close season any more.

Regards

JCS

 

[sako751sg]

Can these be shot right this second? I seen a post on social media of someone shooting one, I dont think its legal this time of year right? I was under the impression regardless of sex they fall under the doe season until the buck season opens the following year for male kids.

I thought you were in Scotland?

 

[Sol]

I thought you were in Scotland?

I am, the person was English though.

Where? In Scotland Females and Juveniles can be culled under the General Authorisation from 1st Sept

Person was a client apparently, Isn't any authorisation reserved too the applicant only, and other key permanent individuals if mentioned?

The comment reply mentioned it was legal since it's a buck and it's buck season, Im unsure if that's correct though.

I'm just genuinely curious last time I dug into this, I was told there not shootable until the mothers came into season.

 

[slider]

I am, the person was English though.

Person was a client apparently, Isn't any authorisation reserved too the applicant only, and other key permanent individuals if mentioned?

The comment reply mentioned it was legal since it's a buck and it's buck season, Im unsure if that's correct though.

I'm just genuinely curious last time I dug into this, I was told there not shootable until the mothers came into season.

Read an understand the General Authoritarian. If the person in question meets the criteria of 2a then cracking on.
General Authorisation for Deer - 2025-26

 

[HonestJohn]

If a client shot this and it was in England, I believe the OP is correct in his assumptions

 

[slider]

If a client shot this and it was in England, I believe the OP is correct in his assumptions

The OP is in Scotland (at least according to his profile) so jumping to conclusions is fraught with difficulty

 

[Hazlett]

If a client shot this and it was in England, I believe the OP is correct in his assumptions

Posts on forums aren't always 100% straightforward to understand. So, to be sure, perhaps you might explain whether you're saying that, in England, the seasons for shooting fawns are different from adults (aside from the shooting of dependent fawns if you've shot the dam)?

 

[HonestJohn]

Posts on forums aren't always 100% straightforward to understand. So, to be sure, perhaps you might explain whether you're saying that, in England, the seasons for shooting fawns are different from adults (aside from the shooting of dependent fawns if you've shot the dam)?

I was always in the belief that you could only shoot fawns/kids if they were about to be / or were deprived of their mother, but this assumes the females are in season of course.

I realise there is no close season for bucks in Scotland of course, but the OP does note the person in question shot the male kid in England

 

[VSS]

If a client shot this and it was in England, I believe the OP is correct in his assumptions

I don’t think so.
If male deer are in season, you can shoot male deer, surely? Regardless of age.

 

[Hazlett]

I was always in the belief that you could only shoot fawns/kids if they were about to be / or were deprived of their mother, but this assumes the females are in season of course.

I realise there is no close season for bucks in Scotland of course, but the OP does note the person in question shot the male kid in England

My take is that the seasons apply equally to fawns/kids as they do to adults, except that you can shoot dependent young out of season if you have shot or about to shoot the mother. In effect, in England, I think this applies only to roe bucks?

 

[HonestJohn]

My take is that the seasons apply equally to fawns/kids as they do to adults, except that you can shoot dependent young out of season if you have shot or about to shoot the mother. In effect, in England, I think this applies only to roe bucks?

Yes, in essence, you can shoot a buck kid out of season as it’s not deemed reproductive and considered sexless. But, within the Doe season only (in my understanding of current English laws)

 

[Sol]

Yes, in essence, you can shoot a buck kid out of season as it’s not deemed reproductive and considered sexless. But, within the Doe season only (in my understanding of current English laws)

This Is how I understood it and It seems too be correct, If you wish too shoot a buck kid or a doe kid you have to wait for them to come into season in England what would be November 1st.
Unless there's something that indicates the young Is suffering (e.g rta doe) or obvious injury.

Shooting them because "We need to keep numbers down" whilst guiding clients isn't really an excuse I believe and If It was (and he has the license) he should of shot it.

If someone could weigh in I would appreciate it, if not I'll go to FB I think.

 

[Hazlett]

>>This Is how I understood it and It seems too be correct

I can't work out where this comes from.

Refer S2, S6 and Sch1 of the 1991 Deer Act. There is nothing about not shooting fawns/kids except in the doe season.)l

(Shooting fallow fawns in the summer (under S7 for doe fawns) is a perfectly valid way of moving doe groups off agricultural crops and trying to reduce numbers, with very little welfare considerations.)

 

[75]

This Is how I understood it and It seems too be correct, If you wish too shoot a buck kid or a doe kid you have to wait for them to come into season in England what would be November 1st.

I'm struggling to follow the original scenario so just for clarity - can you confirm:

Location: England?
Date shot: October 8?
Species: ?
Sex: ?

The open seasons do not differentiate between the age of an animal, only the sex. In England you can currently shoot any male deer except CWD. So you can legally shoot this year's male roe / fallow / red / muntjac youngsters now (ID may be an issue but let's assume you can confirm sex before taking the shot).

Nothing in legislation that says they only turn male on 1st November.

My take is that the seasons apply equally to fawns/kids as they do to adults, except that you can shoot dependent young out of season if you have shot or about to shoot the mother. In effect, in England, I think this applies only to roe bucks?

Agreed - I can't think of any other scenarios in England where you would shoot a female in season and the fawn / calf / kid be out of season.

 

[Sol]

I'm struggling to follow the original scenario so just for clarity - can you confirm:

Location: England?
Date shot: October 8?
Species: ?
Sex: ?

England.
October 1st+ onwards.
Roe
Male.

Doe was not shot, only her male kid, by a paying client.

That's kind of my confusion wouldn't there have too be a means/intention on shooting the doe? If It was crops and he was shooting out of season should it be him that's shooting it?

Very weird scenario I struggled to find anything on it besides remembering here like a year ago I read up on it and the consensus was It was illegal.

 

[75]

England.
October 1st+ onwards.
Roe
Male.

Doe was not shot, only her male kid, by a paying client.

That's kind of my confusion wouldn't there have too be a means/intention on shooting the doe? If It was crops and he was shooting out of season should it be him that's shooting it?

Very weird scenario I struggled to find anything on it besides remembering here like a year ago I read up on it and the consensus was It was illegal.

Legal. It's a male roe - age doesn't come into it.

Shooting the doe would have been illegal now, but after 1st Nov you could shoot the doe and then the male kid.

 

[Sol]

Legal. It's a male roe - age doesn't come into it.

Shooting the doe would have been illegal now, but after 1st Nov you could shoot the doe and then the male kid.

That's wild that Its legal, every day Is a learning day I supose.