Threat of Certificates being revoked, despite being found not guilty in court !

[patrickt]

My advice would be to wait until the Police have made their decision, which appears not to have been made at this stage, there is no need to seek legal advice until then, only if the Police send you a sec 12 letter do you need advice, and as it is in Crown Court you will have to be represented by Counsel, that said you can represent yourself, after receiving advice from Counsel.

I would suggest that you check your car & home insurance, often there is legal cover, it is worth looking at this, again only if you get the sec 12 letter, hopefull you will not get.

Finally, if you do not get anywhere, send me a PM, and I shall happily give you free advice in relation to an appeal, but at this moment....take the empire state building jumper atttude, and when he went over the top.... and down said WELL SO FAR SO GOOD......

good luck, and all is not finished yet

 

[jimbo1984]

Unfortunately he wasn't a member of BASC that year, but he certainly will be in the future. LET IT BE A LESSON TO ALL TO JOIN A SHOOTING ORGANISATION.

If he wants help in any way shape or form then basic isn't the one to join fella not in my experience or in several othrs either
All the best with it

 

[David63]

For the records BASC do not usually take on any case if you are not already a member.

We will offer help to members, including appeals, and funding of appeals if there is a case to answer, e.g. where the police have acted wrongly.

There are some cases where our lawyers advise us there is no case to answer so we cannot help overturn the decision of the police.

The advice patrickt has given is sound in my view and exactly what our firearms team would have advised based on the evidence presented thus far.

I have seen cases like this where the police have simply wanted to see a period of peace, or a change in circumstance before the firearms are returned.


David

 

[jimbo1984]

Wll basc didn't even bother to phine me back when I had an issue despite being a member for many years so for the record no..... No they do not!

If he wants to join basc great that's up to him I know they have many happy members however I'd hate to see someone else waste their hard earned cash and end up in the same situation I did

 

[David63]

It remains that this forum member has had very good advice from patrickt as to what he should do for now.

Should the revocation letter arrive it will be up to this chap to decide whether to lodge the appeal or not, based on the reasons for revocation, and in the interim to check his other insurances to see if there is legal cover that would apply should he appeal .

For the record I think you will find that all the organisations will do their level best to deliver all the time, they will not always succeed and on occasion messages can be missed, and for that I am very sorry.

However, any member on this forum who thinks their message to BASC has been missed or not listened to can always PM or e-mail me and I will work with them to get it sorted. That’s part of my job.

David

 

[The tramp]

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[The tramp]

If he wants help in any way shape or form then basic isn't the one to join fella not in my experience or in several othrs either
All the best with it

There's always one 

why do some people not know when to leave the keyboard alone ? If you have, or had, a problem with basc, sasc etc, sort it with them, derogatory remarks really arnt needed every time davidbasc posts. I'm sure the company I work for has pee'd many people off, but I don't get heckled every time I post for it.

I'm sure David is well aware of shortfalls in service in the past, why keep dragging it up all the time ?

Jimbo, this, although I have quoted you, is aimed at everyone who feels a need to bitch about basc.

Oh, and if you are interested, no, I'm not associated with, or even a member of basc at the moment.

Rant over,

​Pete

 

[lincolnjefferies]

Update - nine months since the not guilty verdict, still no sign of my firearms being returned and despite requests for disclosure, no timescale has been yet given for any decision being made, other than the repeated statement that its on their desk........I'm now starting to think the firearms departments hearts not really in the job of sorting it out.

Though I did receive an apology nine weeks ago from the Police information officer for the length of time I had had to wait, when I asked for disclosure as to why they hadn't been returned, but no specific reason. A request to oil them was also refused.

A two or three month wait might be understandable, but nine months is an unacceptable period of time. I can't see thay have a leg to stand on - I was completely exonerated by the magistrates in their summing up and had no previous criminal record and have been a certificate holder for over 20 years with no issues arising whatsoever.

 

[Si]

Update - nine months since the not guilty verdict, still no sign of my firearms being returned and despite requests for disclosure, no timescale has been yet given for any decision being made, other than the repeated statement that its on their desk........I'm now starting to think the firearms departments hearts not really in the job of sorting it out.

Though I did receive an apology nine weeks ago from the Police information officer for the length of time I had had to wait, when I asked for disclosure as to why they hadn't been returned, but no specific reason. A request to oil them was also refused.

A two or three month wait might be understandable, but nine months is an unacceptable period of time. I can't see thay have a leg to stand on - I was completely exonerated by the magistrates in their summing up and had no previous criminal record and have been a certificate holder for over 20 years with no issues arising whatsoever.

I'm confused now

 

[lincolnjefferies]

I'm confused now

See post #18 - I started the thread in the third person singular to keep the thread more factual

 

[Si]

My apologies.... missed that bit

 

[finnbear270]

Davidbasc I believe is a collective screen name?

 

[lincolnjefferies]

Davidbasc I believe is a collective screen name?

Update - hopefully should receive my certs back this week.

 

[Steyer 6.5]

Brilliant news mate. Have the Police explained the reason for the time you waited.

 

[Greymaster]

Glad you have your firearms returned.

However, on a general point, as a fully paid up member of BASC, I do think their priority is to assist MEMBERS in matters related to shooting and less so, unless in the wider interests of the collective shooting community, on helping those persons who are not members. When a person had the option of paying in and he didn't then sorry mate. Stand on your own two feet and don't be a drain on our funds.

 

[David63]

I am pleased its all sorted, and hope you never have to go through that again! As I said we do have to give priority to existing members as that is what they pay for! Finbear, what on earth are you going on about that David BASC is a collective name - and what on earth has that got to do with this thread?

David

 

[bewsher500]

Brilliant news mate. Have the Police explained the reason for the time you waited.

Public Sector + inadequate resources x incompetence x no interest = interminable time taken

 

[Rutland lad]

Brewsher - in this case you're very wrong. Lincs firearms department is privately staffed by G4S. They took over nearly all the civilian posts in Lincs Police on 1st April 2012.
I believe that the only non G4S person is actually the Fireams Licensing Manager.

 

[timbeech]

Brewsher - in this case you're very wrong. Lincs firearms department is privately staffed by G4S. They took over nearly all the civilian posts in Lincs Police on 1st April 2012.
I believe that the only non G4S person is actually the Fireams Licensing Manager.

Ha ha ha G4S, that fills me with confidence. They have a great record of excellent service and not ****ing up

 

[david1976]

Thats an interesting reply, though I can't see how he can be found not guilty by the courts, yet still be considered by the police to be a "danger to the peace and public safety".

Last month I was at court for a house breaking (burglary in england) where the blood of the accused was found inside the house. He had never lived there, visited there or knew anyone there so how did his blood get there?

I can only assume he was responsible for the break in however the courts found him not guilty.

He clearly did and had the courts been allowed to look at his previous would have seen he was prolific at it.

Just because you are found not guilty of something it doesn't necessarily mean you didn't do it.

​There are lots of loop holes and technicalities which allow people to walk free from court.