Benelli m2
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I've heard that when driving with your gun they will have to be locked in a case and bolted to the floor of you vehicle anyone heard of this
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Benelli m2
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That's the case now but it's being brought in apparently might be wrong
No need for a case or slip to comply with the law. Certainly no need for a locked box bolted to the floor!
Sounds like somebody has been telling tall tales.
Sounds like somebody has been telling tall tales.
LukeM
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Part 7 of the firearms security manual:
"Vehicles Left Unattended:
7.2 Whenever possible, the vehicle should not be left unattended for long periods.
7.3 Vehicles containing firearms and left unattended for any length of time should ideally have an
immobiliser and/or alarm fitted. For commercial vehicles, such as vans additional locking solutions should
be fitted to manufacturer’s standards. Trackers should be considered by those individuals who regularly
move large numbers of guns.
7.4 Where possible, they should be parked in an area that provides natural surveillance
7.5 For preference, the firearms should be stored in the locked boot or other secured load carrying area of
the vehicle. They should be out of sight from passers-by.
7.6 In the case of estates, hatchbacks and similar vehicles, the certificate holder should ensure that:
a) where fitted, the lid or cover of the load carrying area should be in place, or the firearms are covered
and concealed to prevent their identification;
b) if the vehicle is to be left unattended for any length of time, the firearm and ammunition should not
be stored together;
c) where the boot or load carrying area is the most practical place, ammunition should be secured in
an appropriate container ideally, but not necessarily, secured to the vehicle;
d) where it is practical, the bolt magazine or other operating part should be separated from the firearm
and either carried on the person, or kept in a locked container, ideally secured to the vehicle, or
concealed elsewhere."
"Vehicles Left Unattended:
7.2 Whenever possible, the vehicle should not be left unattended for long periods.
7.3 Vehicles containing firearms and left unattended for any length of time should ideally have an
immobiliser and/or alarm fitted. For commercial vehicles, such as vans additional locking solutions should
be fitted to manufacturer’s standards. Trackers should be considered by those individuals who regularly
move large numbers of guns.
7.4 Where possible, they should be parked in an area that provides natural surveillance
7.5 For preference, the firearms should be stored in the locked boot or other secured load carrying area of
the vehicle. They should be out of sight from passers-by.
7.6 In the case of estates, hatchbacks and similar vehicles, the certificate holder should ensure that:
a) where fitted, the lid or cover of the load carrying area should be in place, or the firearms are covered
and concealed to prevent their identification;
b) if the vehicle is to be left unattended for any length of time, the firearm and ammunition should not
be stored together;
c) where the boot or load carrying area is the most practical place, ammunition should be secured in
an appropriate container ideally, but not necessarily, secured to the vehicle;
d) where it is practical, the bolt magazine or other operating part should be separated from the firearm
and either carried on the person, or kept in a locked container, ideally secured to the vehicle, or
concealed elsewhere."
LukeM
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Further to this, there is actually no hard and fast law when it comes to the exact methods used. It's all in the guidance. The only "law" in respect to storage is in s.3 of the Firearms Rules 1998:
"the firearms and ammunition to which the certificate relates must at all times (except in the circumstances set out in paragraph (b) below) be stored securely so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the firearms or ammunition by an unauthorised person;
(b)where a firearm or ammunition to which the certificate relates is in use or the holder of the certificate has the firearm with him for the purpose of cleaning, repairing or testing it or for some other purpose connected with its use, transfer or sale, or the firearm or ammunition is in transit to or from a place in connection with its use or any such purpose, reasonable precautions must be taken for the safe custody of the firearm or the ammunition.
You will note that none of that deals with exact methods! It has been written like that deliberately, and in much the same manner as a lot of health and safety law - "reasonably practicable". This is because the gamut of what could be considered suitable is so wide and situations/circumstances differ. The exact details and practical security arrangements required by a London based TR shooter taking his rifle on the tube differ substantially from the Highland gamekeeper who may not see another person for a week or two at a time. The requirement to keep your guns secure is common throughout, but it's the how that differs.
That is certainly true in Germany, under some circumstances - but not AFAIK in the UK.
Interesting! Have you any details about how it's planned to be brought in?
Leec6.5
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Been doing that for years, cheap gun box bolted to the tie down points in the back of the van, solid as a rock.
Benelli m2
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I just heard it from a guy at the clay club I've not see it on basc news or anywhere else I guess it might be just talk
Completely Unworkable. How do I get a box bolted to the floor of my Porsche 911 big enough for my .50CAL rifle? Ain’t gonna happen….
Some police forces provide 'advice' to certificate holders on what they expect as far as security of firearms & ammunition in transit - not necessarily a legal requirement but if you haven't taken any notice & one or both get stolen then I'd imagine you'd have a pretty hard time convincing them your security arrangements were sufficient.
I think what the OP is on about is the rumoured changed to legislation following the recent Plymouth findings.
There are also musings that shotgun certificates will be in the same vein as the FAC with slots for each shotgun and the requirement for good reason.
At this time I am not aware of any of these being formally submitted.
As per post from two days ago the Firearms Bill 2023 only affects miniature rifle ranges and possession with intent to manufacture ammunition beyond what you are legally entitled to posses.
There are also musings that shotgun certificates will be in the same vein as the FAC with slots for each shotgun and the requirement for good reason.
At this time I am not aware of any of these being formally submitted.
As per post from two days ago the Firearms Bill 2023 only affects miniature rifle ranges and possession with intent to manufacture ammunition beyond what you are legally entitled to posses.
Siggy
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I think you are conflating two things. (without checking…) When on the public highway your gun should be in a closed case. Best practice (as described above) advises on how the weapon should be secured. If you have your vehicle/gun stolen deviations from best practice would be an indication of negligence but not a crime i.e you would loose your FAC but not go to jail.
Jeff8861
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This is incorrect re safe storage in vehicles its impractical to do it. There are a few changes in the pipeline following the coronors report to the Home Office. The majority of the recommendations are to do with the licensing department. However I suspect that the legislation around shotguns and cartridges will change.
As previous posts there is no actual “ law” regarding transportation but there are guidelines. Personally if I am not intending on stopping I just put the rifle/shotgun in my waggon. On shoot day when we go to the pub I take the for-end in with me. On trips to Scotland stalking I put rifle in Peli case, I lock the case and also lock and chain it to frame of the car then I take a picture of the set up, that time dates it, I keep the bolt on a pouch on my belt. The question you have to ask yourself is if it gets stolen how robust was you prevention and how credible when you are explaining it to the police
To me the biggest risk is if you were involved in a road traffic accident and taken away in an ambulance and the police at the RTA find your complete functioning unsecured firearm and ammunition. If travelling far, all I do for my rifle is remove the bolt and lock that with the ammunition in the glove box, rifle then in slip covered up. For shotgun I use a trigger lock again in slip and covered up. If stopping for a comfort break and traveling with the rifle then I put bolt in my belt pouch whilst away from the vehicle.
If a local short journey then bolt out and in the pouch on my belt or pocket, trigger lock on shotgun then in gun slip, ammo covered up.
Yet as a teenager, I used to put the rifle in slip over my shoulder and cycle to the local small bore target club
If a local short journey then bolt out and in the pouch on my belt or pocket, trigger lock on shotgun then in gun slip, ammo covered up.
Yet as a teenager, I used to put the rifle in slip over my shoulder and cycle to the local small bore target club
Phil fox man
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to and from a shoot day,or when going farm to farm guns are in a case on back seat.i never leave unattended guns or dogs in vehicle.
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