Totally agree, if I'm out on the rabbits after dark, the last thing I want to be doing is loading up mags with rimfire rounds.. with fat fingers it's bad enough doing in in the light and comfort of my own home .
Travelling with loaded magazines
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Totally agree, if I'm out on the rabbits after dark, the last thing I want to be doing is loading up mags with rimfire rounds.. with fat fingers it's bad enough doing in in the light and comfort of my own home .
why not it yourself and prove me wrong when you get your day in court ? Ultimately its the CPS who take up the case or not but a loaded gun doesn't have to be one in the chamber by any means
maxtich
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You are indeed Absolutely correct..but think of the scenario…out on road in car especially a 4x4 around midnight..wearing camo with gun in boot and get stopped by old bill.
Try explaining/Convincing him especially if they are not firearm trained..could spoil your night for sure with time wasting trying to convince them!
That is a risk I am willing to take, thankfully most of the police around here are fairly well clued up. The fact that I have been deemed suitable to possess a section 1 firearm suggests that I will know and abide by the laws relating to its use and any conditions on my certificate relating to its use.
Why would i want to have a loaded gun where i did not have lawful authority ? To fight such a case its pretty much odds on your Licences are revoked pending . Win or loose you are still loosing before its decided in court.
I dont even get why you might be off your shooting land with the need of carrying a rifle with a loaded mag .
There is a difference in law between s1 and s2.
With s1 the offence of being in a public place without reasonable excuse and etc., etc. is "together with suitable ammunition" (so it matters not if the thing is loaded or not) with s2 it is "loaded". Indeed I had this very discussion - see s19 (a) - some now twenty plus years ago walking along Price Street in Birmingham with an uncovered shotgun when stopped by a policeman.
So there is no difference if you are not "lawful" between travelling with a s1 firearms with ammunition or loaded with ammunition (although one would hope that you did not travel with a round chambered) or, indeed, a loaded magazine on the rifle. Why? If you crash your car and there is a fire a round loaded in the chamber will exit and kill just as if its ignition was made by pulling the trigger. As of course it would with a loaded shotgun.
Firearms Act s19
19 Carrying firearm in a public place.
A person commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the proof whereof lies on him) he has with him in a public place(a)a loaded shot gun,
(b)an air weapon (whether loaded or not),
(c)any other firearm (whether loaded or not) together with ammunition suitable for use in that firearm, or
(d)an imitation firearm.]
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south-nofolk-stalker
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As long as the mag is not in the rifle crack on, I personally have never worried about it.
So what is the difference between having a populated (loaded sugests it is a gun, not an ammunition carrier) magazine (not attached to the rifle) , and a box of ammunition?
You could easily take a round from the box, hand chamber it and close the bolt.
How would this affect having ammunition and being in public with a single shot rifle with no magazine, or a combination gun? All of course with good reason.
Of course, i never thought of the Kinetic energy of the bullet in a crash . But its bad enough how many get shot with " unloaded" firearms or mistakes made like " under the bolt " taken in the wrong way.
south-nofolk-stalker
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How about not looking like a chav at midnight then, that might save a lot of issues.
Cogswell & Harrison
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It doesn't state any specific law to which the statement in the manual is referenced, just simply "Under UK law". Rather than test the scenario either in court or with an individual PC in a lay-by I just go with the best, safest, and least feather ruffling advice I can get when the issues are vague.
If s1 and your don't have the require lawful authority or reasonable excuse then - see Firearms Act s19 (c) - there is no difference.
south-nofolk-stalker
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Honestly the SD if full of a load of old women, so scared to fart when the wind is in the wrong direction!
I am actually wondering how any of you lot actually shoot any deer
I am actually wondering how any of you lot actually shoot any deer
Pretty obvious to me !
Internal mag like my old Sako, empty at all times when traveling, as is bolt.
Detachable, detached from the rifle at all times when traveling, as is bolt.
Whether a detached magazine with rounds in it constitutes a firearm in its own right I doubt (You don't need your ticket to buy one - do you?)
It is merely a metal or plastic container with ammunition in it , no different to a wallet.
Internal mag like my old Sako, empty at all times when traveling, as is bolt.
Detachable, detached from the rifle at all times when traveling, as is bolt.
Whether a detached magazine with rounds in it constitutes a firearm in its own right I doubt (You don't need your ticket to buy one - do you?)
It is merely a metal or plastic container with ammunition in it , no different to a wallet.
maxtich
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Where’s my human rights then..lolHow about not looking like a chav at midnight then, that might save a lot of issues.
Big NO NO at least in NI breach of the FAC conditions
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