Travelling with loaded magazines

[Dunwaters]

Show me that in an official capacity from the home office

You won’t be dealing with the “ Home office “ you’ll be be dealing with an apparatchik who will act on their interpretation of home office rules as they understand them.
They will also be backed up by their immediate line managers.
Best of luck with that.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

I’ll just carry on doing what I’ve always done

 

[Twodogs]

I can’t understand why there is do much debate, there is nothing in guidance or legislation.

 

[VSS]

I’ll just carry on doing what I’ve always done

Me too.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

I can’t understand why there is do much debate, there is nothing in guidance or legislation.

All panic over nothing, just people scared to fart incase the wind is blowing in the wrong direction

 

[Bowland blades]

'Advisable 'yes... legal requirement, still to be confirmed.
It is 'Advisable ' to store your bolt separately to the rifle, this doesn't mean that it is legally required?

Totally , only way to confirm if a loaded mag is a loaded gun is to have a test case ! Hands up who wants to be the poor sportsman to be the one that ends up the test case i think .
over the years i have come across many a copper who did not fully understand the laws surrounding firearms. If Barrington Barnes said " yeah that's fine to do " I would 100% go with it ( though i dont know why we need to do this when traveling to and from shooting ) A bloke on a forum ? Heck no !
I might be wrong that's true but why do i need a loaded mag before i am removing my rifle from the vehicle or case ?

 

[Dalua]

Totally , only way to confirm if a loaded mag is a loaded gun is to have a test case ! Hands up who wants to be the poor sportsman to be the one that ends up the test case i think .
over the years i have come across many a copper who did not fully understand the laws surrounding firearms. If Barrington Barnes said " yeah that's fine to do " I would 100% go with it ( though i dont know why we need to do this when traveling to and from shooting ) A bloke on a forum ? Heck no !
I might be wrong that's true but why do i need a loaded mag before i am removing my rifle from the vehicle or case ?

It's worth asking the question again, I think:
where in law is any differentiation made between a loaded S1 firearm and an unloaded one?

The reason that there is a definition in law for airguns and S2 firearms is that for these categories some parts of the law treat loaded and unloaded ones differently - and for these it is abundantly clear from the definition in statute law (see post 98) that a charged magazine which is not in a position on the item such that ammuntion can by operating the item be fed into the barrel/chamber would not render the item 'loaded'.

The clarity of the definition seems to be to me not to invite 'test-cases' - and certainly not with respect to S1 firearms, to which it appears not to apply.

Which bring me back to my original question: can anyone quote a law that treats a loaded S1 firearm differently from an unloaded one?

 

[The Tartan Torpedo]

Whilst in transit, and not in immediate use I keep everything separate. How long does it take to bring it all together? A place for everything and everything in its place, probably like most I have a pre shooting/stalking/hunting routine. If I fall out of this routine it tends to throw me out and make the experience less enjoyable. Most people I go out with tend to have their idiosyncrasies and ways of doing things.

 

[palmer_mike]

It's worth asking the question again, I think:
where in law is any differentiation made between a loaded S1 firearm and an unloaded one?

The reason that there is a definition in law for airguns and S2 firearms is that for these categories some parts of the law treat loaded and unloaded ones differently - and for these it is abundantly clear from the definition in statute law (see post 98) that a charged magazine which is not in a position on the item such that ammuntion can by operating the item be fed into the barrel/chamber would not render the item 'loaded'.

The clarity of the definition seems to be to me not to invite 'test-cases' - and certainly not with respect to S1 firearms, to which it appears not to apply.

Which bring me back to my original question: can anyone quote a law that treats a loaded S1 firearm differently from an unloaded one?

Very clearly summarised.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

A loaded mag in a public place is basically a loaded gun when your in court trying to argue otherwise ( once it is off private land ,where you have lawful authority to do so your fine )

Which part of the mag has a barrel attached to make it a loaded gun? You do talk some drivvle at times mate.

 

[Trickyd66]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/threads/legal-question-regarding-transporting-loaded-magazine-whilst-in-vehicle.82899/&ved=2ahUKEwjX84_mtpeGAxXjTkEAHatpCGM4FBAWegQICxAB&usg=AOvVaw31yCNUSibhddAfJMQcW0gl

at least 11 years and we still don't have a definitive answer

 

[Bowland blades]

Which part of the mag has a barrel attached to make it a loaded gun? You do talk some drivvle at times mate.

despite you rudeness , try that excuse if you get stopped loaded mag in the gun driving on the road say and get stopped and checked. Better yet leave a full mag underloaded at your next renewal . Loaded mag in your ammo safe away from the rifle in a sepparete safe shouldn't be an issue but neither does it make it a good thing

 

[hendrix's rifle]

despite you rudeness , try that excuse if you get stopped loaded mag in the gun driving on the road say and get stopped and checked. Better yet leave a full mag underloaded at your next renewal . Loaded mag in your ammo safe away from the rifle in a sepparete safe shouldn't be an issue but neither does it make it a good thing

Not being rude, being entirely honest. You stated a loaded mag is basically a loaded gun. They were your words. A loaded mag is NOT even remotely similar to a loaded firearm.

I wouldn't have a loaded mag in a rifle whilst I was driving unless I was on my ground somewhere, in which case the rifle would be next to me ready to roll. If I have the mag loaded, I have it in the pocket of my slip. Which is fine. And legal. I genuinely suggest you take a look up on various parts of firearms legislation and don't try to advise what you may believe when it isn't in law.

 

[Bowland blades]

Not being rude, being entirely honest. You stated a loaded mag is basically a loaded gun. They were your words. A loaded mag is NOT even remotely similar to a loaded firearm.

I wouldn't have a loaded mag in a rifle whilst I was driving unless I was on my ground somewhere, in which case the rifle would be next to me ready to roll. If I have the mag loaded, I have it in the pocket of my slip. Which is fine. And legal. I genuinely suggest you take a look up on various parts of firearms legislation and don't try to advise what you may believe when it isn't in law.

The wording you used was 100% rude its up there for all to see .

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

If a loaded magazine is in the gun yes I would call that loaded, but in your pocket NO the gun is not loaded!

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

The wording you used was 100% rude its up there for all to see .

No he wasn’t rude at all I’m in agreement he was just being honest

 

[Bowland blades]

I quote " you do talk some drivle at times " If you try saying that to peoples faces dont be surprised if they react badly to you

 

[shakey jake]

I quote " you do talk some drivle at times " If you try saying that to peoples faces dont be surprised if they react badly to you

some times the truth hurts, being truthful shouldnt be seen as rude

 

[hendrix's rifle]

I quote " you do talk some drivle at times " If you try saying that to peoples faces dont be surprised if they react badly to you

I think you'd be surprised what I say to peoples faces I'm in a profession and specialise in a role that requires me to be very blunt and to the point. I also respect people who tell me at it is, same as I do. I'm sure @Kjf or anyone else on here that knows me would agree

 

[DavyG]

If a loaded magazine is in the gun yes I would call that loaded, but in your pocket NO the gun is not loaded!

Reminds me of a Mae West quote, “is that a gun in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?”
DG