Trophy Hunting

[Heym SR20]

And yet in Scotland we a have government and authorities hell bent on eradication of deer. We are seeing proposals to remove all deer from Uist and in many other areas deer numbers can no longer support hunting. There are several threads where SD members are being thrown out of their houses and lost their jobs because no more deer stalking is going on.

We saw this happen to wildlife populations in the US, Africa, India during the 20th Century. And no conservation schemes - many indeed paid for by hunter dollars and pounds are spring icon species back to levels where sustainable hunting is now part of the overall species management.

I wonder if some enterprising land owner or conservation group in the future might consider reintroducing red and roe deer back to the UK, in the same way as is happening with beavers etc

 

[Klenchblaize]

Positive or not?

Anyone who publicly asserts Sir David Attenborough has got it wrong wins my respect and attention.

The thrust of the interviewee’s argument was twofold:

1. If this bill is being progressed on moral grounds it is inconsistent and flawed as there is no proposal to ban trophy hunting in the UK. (Think Highland red stag or Lowland roe buck heads.)

2. If the bill is being progressed against an argument of protecting overseas endangered species it is non-evidence based. The key point being the evidence that is being ignored is that which clearly demonstrates trophy hunting is a force for good in the protection of habitat and the number of beasts that are said to suffer as a result of trophy hunting.

I suggest you listen to the interview and the ones The Today programme have said will present alternative views in the days ahead.

K

 

[Jon P]

I saw the BBC breakfast news section this morning, it was probably the most unbiased interview I have seen in a long time, giving plenty of time to both sides to make there points, although videos playing in the background showing the emotive subject though being the big cats.

 

[Klenchblaize]

I see a certain ex-footballer and popular TV sports pundit has just informed the Government they should ban the import of trophies.

Game, set & match?

K

 

[AfricaRob]

Its idiotic - but from an African perspective, aside from the neocolonial perspective, hunters from UK are a very small portion of the client base, Americans, Germans, Spanish and others contribute more (income) and Russians and increasingly hunters from Middle East are more important - and this will have no impact on them - it will make UK even less relevant as foreign governments realise we have both idiotic MPs and far less influence than we think.
And anyway there is sufficient international legislation to cover wildlife trade both of live and dead animals - but the laws are often ignored - that what smuggling is.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

The following may be of interest - an open letter on 12 March to the UK Minister of State for Development and Africa, Andrew Mitchell, from 109 representatives of community-run conservation areas in the four African countries which come together in the Kavango-Zambezi Transfrontier Conservation Area, which covers 520,000km² of Angola, Botswana, Namibia and Zambia. It is more than double the size of the UK and encompasses 20 national parks, 85 forest reserves, 22 conservancies, 11 sanctuaries, 103 wildlife management areas, 11 game management areas and is home to three World Heritage Sites — Victoria Falls, the Okavango Delta and Tsodilo Hills.

The UK government wants to tell Africans what to do with our wildlife — this is colonialism all over again

In this open letter to the UK Minister of State for Development and Africa, Andrew Mitchell, 109 representatives of community-run conservation areas in the four African countries which come together i…

www.dailymaverick.co.za

 

[Elmer fudd 1]

I’m just glad I went out when I did!

 

[Pete6.5]

My days of caring about hunting worldwide went out of the window 10 years ago!

Doesn’t interest me, affect me, no point in getting stressed about it!

Personally, I don’t make a penny out of the stalking, but yes, my landowner does charge for people to come and shoot what they wanna shoot and fill their freezer. There’s no trophies taken or charged those days are long gone. I am more now about providing stalking for those who are on a budget to come and have a lovely time

I guess you give your deer away and not sell them for beer tokens

 

[Leec6.5]

I guess you give your deer away and not sell them for beer tokens

As of this weekend yep, I’ll be handing my red deerstalking over to new stalkers my days of chasing them Fuking great things are long gone!

What they do with them it’s up to them.

Plus I don’t sell trophies, I sell meat for the freezer, the fact that it’s walking before it was shot does not make me a hypocrite.

 

[Pete6.5]

As of this weekend yep, I’ll be handing my red deerstalking over to new stalkers my days of chasing them Fuking great things are long gone!

What they do with them it’s up to them.

Plus I don’t sell trophies, I sell meat for the freezer, the fact that it’s walking before it was shot does not make me a hypocrite.

I guess theirs a time in all are life's when the tits have to come out the sink.

 

[stubear]

And it's not just Africa either. Parts of Asia have adopted similar schemes.

Also what makes people think that thus will just stop with so called trophy hunting.

That’s just it mate, it won’t. It’ll just become totally unregulated poaching and when all the wild animals are gone the grey suits will just say “oh well we did what we could but it was too little too late” and disappear off with their gold plated index linked pensions and armed police protection for life, while we beg for scraps from the table, our way of life trashed, and wonder whether we can afford to turn the heating on for 15 minutes as the ice on the inside of the window is getting too thick to see out.

Absolutely boils my **** frankly

 

[bowji john]

The following may be of interest - an open letter on 12 March to the UK Minister of State for Development and Africa, Andrew Mitchell, from 109 representatives of community-run conservation areas in the four African countries which come together in the Kavango-Zambezi Transfrontier Conservation Area, which covers 520,000km² of Angola, Botswana, Namibia and Zambia. It is more than double the size of the UK and encompasses 20 national parks, 85 forest reserves, 22 conservancies, 11 sanctuaries, 103 wildlife management areas, 11 game management areas and is home to three World Heritage Sites — Victoria Falls, the Okavango Delta and Tsodilo Hills.

The UK government wants to tell Africans what to do with our wildlife — this is colonialism all over again

In this open letter to the UK Minister of State for Development and Africa, Andrew Mitchell, 109 representatives of community-run conservation areas in the four African countries which come together i…

www.dailymaverick.co.za

A great open letter

If only the politicians would listen

Sadly, I fear, the age of knowledge, balance and science based reasoning has left our shores

Replaced by the religions of spin, ignorance and invented reality

 

[HonestJohn]

I wonder if some enterprising land owner or conservation group in the future might consider reintroducing red and roe deer back to the UK, in the same way as is happening with beavers etc

we'll have to wait and see, but of course, they will only be allowed to be hunted with bow and arrow as firearms will be like smoking in airplanes, using mobiles when driving and not wearing helmets on a motorcycle by then

 

[Leec6.5]

I guess theirs a time in all are life's when the tits have to come out the sink.

100% i have had 20 good years, i’m looking forward to enjoying stalking again and poking about.

 

[sh1kar]

A very moving film. Well worth a watch all the way through and impossible to do without hunting funds. In a place that no photo safaris are interested in. This is where we hunt in Moz. 2 days each way to travel there and back. Truly spectacular and nothing like the big plains that most of these celebs think is Africa. Jurassic Park

Derek is an absolute legend

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[sh1kar]

A very moving film. Well worth a watch all the way through and impossible to do without hunting funds. In a place that no photo safaris are interested in. This is where we hunt in Moz. 2 days each way to travel there and back. Truly spectacular and nothing like the big plains that most of these celebs think is Africa. Jurassic Park

Derek is an absolute legend

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@bowji john @Rhodesianjess @Heym SR20 @Kalahari

 

[geoshot]

We already have cites so no need really for this Bill other than vote gathering.

Exactly this! As I've said many times before, one of THE most dangerous animals in existence is a politician desperate to be seen to be doing something.
They invariably act on a subject they don't understand adequately and/or act on emotion
And invariably do the wrong thing
All with the aim of playing to some gallery or other

 

[Tazz]

Sadly when the U.K. general public hear “Trophy Hunting abroad”, most then think Lions/Elephants/Rhino and other endangered “in their minds” decorating someone’s wall

 

[Jon P]

Will be interesting to see how the House of Lords vote on this legislation,
Reject it,
Accept it in it’s entirety
Amend it ?

I think the big 5 will definitely go along with zebra and giraffes.

 

[bowji john]

@bowji john @Rhodesianjess @Heym SR20 @Kalahari

Just shows that video to the school group who are here today

Part of a discussion on conservation we conducted during lunch around the fire

Many thanks for posting