Actually when fact checked they tell it how it isn't, but it sounds like it is to people with certain prejudices. I hate the name but it's called post truth politics.
Trump Wins - One American's Perspective
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Actually when fact checked they tell it how it isn't, but it sounds like it is to people with certain prejudices. I hate the name but it's called post truth politics.
This is outrageous. So being repulsed by Trump, who is misogynistic to the extreme regardless of the 'locker room chat', a racist, a member of the elite (he has an effing gold throne in his tower) who has screwed over small businesses for decades, who thinks Putin (who represses democracy) is great because he is 'strong', and who impersonated a disabled journalist, makes someone less than a man. You should be ashamed of yourself, admin, is this really OK?
By the way, I agree with PM, but trust me, I'm as red blooded as the next man (or, as the case may be, Neanderthal), and an quite capable of holding my ground.
Gosh, tom_o_m, you just repeated every distorted painting of Trump by Team Hillary, using a tiny bit of truth, extracted and grown in a petri dish of septic motives. The same smears were leveled a Mitt Romney, who is a pure Boy Scout, but also guilty of being a self-made millionaire in financing a chain of hardware superstores and office supply super stores (Home Depot and Staples ).
But no worry, all that will be forgotten if Trump proves to be the same excellent project manager who borrowed $1 million from his father and turned it into a few billion, who bought segregated private clubs and opened them to everyone, who has managed as many as 120 projects at one time, and pays women the same as men.
Hillary wouldn't have been the first woman president, anyway. Obama was.
But no worry, all that will be forgotten if Trump proves to be the same excellent project manager who borrowed $1 million from his father and turned it into a few billion, who bought segregated private clubs and opened them to everyone, who has managed as many as 120 projects at one time, and pays women the same as men.
Hillary wouldn't have been the first woman president, anyway. Obama was.
Trump was not my choice for president but neither, absolutely not, never, never, was Hillary. She is corrupt to a degree that is beyond the pall. The Clinton Foundation is a money laundering operation. Hillary's email server use is a FELONY under US law. I am a government employee subject to the same laws as she was when the Secretary of State. I would go to prison for a single email offense. Trump is a billionaire. Hillary is a .69 billionaire and managed that on a government pension? No. Giving speeches at $600K per hour to banking interests and stock market types. I lived through her lying during the White Water scandals, the use of Arkansas State Police as brown shirts to run Bill's women out of the state, the people who mysteriously died after crossing her (The last being a man who was going to the FBI about her server use and set up. A drive by shooting in front of his posh apartment at 0400 about 6 months back) Oh! More recently! Lets not forget the outright lies about the Benghazi attack that killed our Ambassador and his staff. Bill's meeting with out Attorney General in her private plane for 45 minutes the night before our FBI director stated that yes, Hillary had broken numerous Federal Laws but he believed them "mistakes" and they weren't pressing for prosecution. A stance the Attorney General adopted as well that afternoon. None of this is conjecture. It's all well documented. It is this kind of abuse that sent the American voters to the voting booths. Not to necessarily vote in Trump, but to vote out a system of cronyism that was so blatant and deplorable. Anybody who thinks Hillary was presidential material has got their head up their backside. JMHO~Muir
not an American, never even visited but couldn't agree more with what you've said about Clinton.
I did like the quote from Mae West that appeared in the Daily Telegraph this morning as a comment on the US election:
When choosing between two evils, I always pick the one I've never tried before.
When choosing between two evils, I always pick the one I've never tried before.
I prefer H L Mencken:
As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
Let's be clear, the Trump foundation does nothing for charity, it is a scam for avoiding tax, paying off politicians, and giant pictures of Mr Trump that were loaned back to his golf course. A million dollars was a very very serious amount of money then. the Clinton foundation does huge good in the world. Avoiding the glaring contradiction in ignoring the legally questionable practices of the Trump foundation while vilifying the actually charitable Clinton foundation, is willful hypocracy.
JabaliHunter
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Ignoring blatant illegality on the Clinton side, just because they apparently do charitable work, is just turning a blind eye to wrongdoing. We don't know the full extent of it, yet. That is what happened with Jimmy Saville.
Shootist
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Those words are a perfect illustration of the type of person who holds ordinary, decent, working people in utter contempt.
Don't flatter yourself. I hold everyone in utter contempt.
Just to clarify: I completely understand why people are furious with the establishment, and I think the Democrats made a terrible mistake by allowing THE most establishment of figures to represent them (and one who has a demonstrable trust problem). And much as I despise Trump, I am thoroughly looking forward to the carnage that is now going to ensue. He and the Republican machine are going to slog it out in a brutal way, and there's no telling how it will end. I'm willing to bet that he won't make it 4 years, and the damage that he will wreak to the system as a whole should provide the opportunity for some genuine reformers to take hold in the aftermath. It might even induce the two sides to figure out how to cooperate more effectively to make government actually work.
The specific individual who won sickens me. But the fact that there is now sufficient hostility to the establishment to get someone so far outside the mainstream into that position gives me enormous hope. I only wish the Democrats had had the balls to let Sanders run.
The specific individual who won sickens me. But the fact that there is now sufficient hostility to the establishment to get someone so far outside the mainstream into that position gives me enormous hope. I only wish the Democrats had had the balls to let Sanders run.
I would agree with that.
Rich, luvvy pop stars telling struggling workers how to vote is still basically the "establishment" and it was that which the people overwhelmingly rejected.
There was actually a very good YT video about what Clinton did wrong, definitely worth a watch if people want to understand why Trump won the day.
We have a result that we cant change, so from this point what we do with that is up to us. Rather like Brexit I am getting frustrated with the commentators who are saying Trump will be the worst POTUS ever, and he's going to fail dismally... The same commentators who are saying Brexit will be a disaster and bankrupt us all, whilst missing the HUGE irony that they are trying to tell us what will be the result of this thing they said would never happen in the first place.
I think surely its in all of our collective interests to hope that Trump actually turns out to be a decent POTUS and is successful, and in the interests of the people who will be working with him to ensure this is the case?
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old man
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Unfortunately in today's politics the truth doesn't really matter any more.
We have moved into an era where, rather than debating the facts, supporters on both sides now simply say how much worse their opponents are, throw accusations about bias in the mainstream media and dismiss any criticism by resorting to personal insults or reciting "you would say that wouldn't you". We saw it with IndyRef, we saw it with Brexit and we saw it in the Presidential elections.
By and large we have reverted back to the politics of the playground, where "my Dad is bigger than yours" has been replaced by "your candidate is worse than mine".
Rather than campaigning on matters of substance it's now all about coming up with bigger and bigger lies about what you will do if elected, and finding lower and lower ways of insulting your opponent.
So Donald's involvement in more than 4,000 lawcases over the past 30 years is casually dismissed, as are his bankruptcies and his other dodgy business dealings, because Hillary had her own private email server, has cosied up to the establishment and has dodgy dealings of her own.
Neither of them should have been candidates for the most powerful position in the World, but then when the line has disappeared between politics and reality TV we shouldn't be surprised.
2,500 years of the democratic principle and this is where we've ended up!
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