Virtus Precision Copper Bullets
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Heym SR20
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Not going to comment on individual bullets and designs, but it is really good see a number of interesting innovations coming into the market. Especially from companies based here in the UK.
Hunters being hunters and rifles being rifles there does need to be a variety of options available to suit all needs.
And one bullet / calibre / cartridge option will suit some applications much better than others.
And during the development phase there will be some designs that work well, and others not so. Its called Research and Development after all and that’s why you can get R&D tax credits for doing so.
Hunters being hunters and rifles being rifles there does need to be a variety of options available to suit all needs.
And one bullet / calibre / cartridge option will suit some applications much better than others.
And during the development phase there will be some designs that work well, and others not so. Its called Research and Development after all and that’s why you can get R&D tax credits for doing so.
I shot this red as low as I could given the cover - it’s still too high and will probably be docked as saddle shot given it can’t be sold as a saddle even though the saddle eyes are intact.
Reason for posting is the proximity of the shot to the saddle eyes and their survival. In the hunt for expansion copper bullets are fragmenting. All well and good except the size and mass of the fragments mean they seem to disperse more and I have had some annoying damage as a result. In addition everyone seems to be afflicted with penetration bug - this was a large West Country spike shot with a 7-08 at 60yards quartering on. Large hole is entry, small exit to under skin. Perfect performance and proof you don’t need elk capable bullets to broadside shoot stationary deer from ordinary cartridges.
Reason for posting is the proximity of the shot to the saddle eyes and their survival. In the hunt for expansion copper bullets are fragmenting. All well and good except the size and mass of the fragments mean they seem to disperse more and I have had some annoying damage as a result. In addition everyone seems to be afflicted with penetration bug - this was a large West Country spike shot with a 7-08 at 60yards quartering on. Large hole is entry, small exit to under skin. Perfect performance and proof you don’t need elk capable bullets to broadside shoot stationary deer from ordinary cartridges.
Why not design for and test In a more common uk chambering?
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Gents, all Virtus projectiles will now be available in the Merlin and Osprey designs. You can therefore choose what kind of terminal performance you prefer. As stated before terminal performance is the only aspect that will be different in the same weight class projectile.
We are currently working on a dangerous game projectile and have also created a world leading specialist law-enforcement/military projectile in the last two months.
We will continue to grow and provide everyone quality products. We are very keen to get any feedback from anyone.
We are currently working on a dangerous game projectile and have also created a world leading specialist law-enforcement/military projectile in the last two months.
We will continue to grow and provide everyone quality products. We are very keen to get any feedback from anyone.
Free range rob
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Does this mean you have the 110gr osprey available in 6.5 ?
Yes, that is correct.
With regards to the development of the 7mm projectile, we will strive for a workable option from 28 Nosler to the more common 7mm cartridges. The stability factor numbers of the projectiles are mostly effected by faster twist rates compared to increased muzzle velocities.
How do you know it’s world leading, it can’t have been field trialled in 2 months?
How do you know that?
Let me rephrase, it can’t have been field trialled by police and military to the extent it can be proven to be ‘world leading’ during 2 months of a pandemic.
Why not?
Because 2 months is not long enough to carry out sufficient worldwide field trials to make such a bold claim.
Twist rate and velocity are the factors, slower velocities and slower twist rates as found in say a 7-08, .280 AI or even a 7 mm rem mag in a 1:.10, would make more sense
@Virtus Precision UK
Have read through your website and really like the way your products are evolving.
Some constructive feedback… The claim about the Eagle… “This projectile is unlike any other solid copper monolithic bullet design on the market.”
I took one look at it and said “That’s the same concept as LeHigh Maximum Expansion”. That’s not a criticism, because the LeHigh performs extremely well, and so do your bullets from the evidence presented. There are some minor design differences, granted, so what is it about your bullet that makes it unique? Both are copper, both use a wide hollow point to force open segmented petals, the length of which are controlled by the incisions in the ogive.
Not sure that claiming uniqueness in this instance is a great USP, unless there’s something fundamental that I’ve missed.
Have read through your website and really like the way your products are evolving.
Some constructive feedback… The claim about the Eagle… “This projectile is unlike any other solid copper monolithic bullet design on the market.”
I took one look at it and said “That’s the same concept as LeHigh Maximum Expansion”. That’s not a criticism, because the LeHigh performs extremely well, and so do your bullets from the evidence presented. There are some minor design differences, granted, so what is it about your bullet that makes it unique? Both are copper, both use a wide hollow point to force open segmented petals, the length of which are controlled by the incisions in the ogive.
Not sure that claiming uniqueness in this instance is a great USP, unless there’s something fundamental that I’ve missed.
Sure.
We have been working on that project for far longer than 2 months. The fact is that the new projectile does not exist anywhere in the world due to the fact that it is a new caliber. We have full confidence that it will be indeed world leading after the success of the initial testing. Further tests will be done shortly.
The 194GN LeHigh Maximum Expansion is meant to be fired at sub-sonic muzzle velocities and it is not legal taking deer in the UK with a sub-sonic projectile. The projectile has four slots instead of three compared to the Virtus projectile. Further more the LeHigh projectile has driving bands and the Virtus has not got any drive bands. The LeHigh is designed to expand and stay together after impact whist the Virtus projectile is designed to break up at low impact velocities causing maximum terminal performance. Extremely high quality control measures with regards to the type of copper being used for Virtus projectiles are in place to obtain repeatable results for the end user.
Hi Joe,They would be pretty devastating in the WSM then
I've got some 110TTSX to try in my 270, they should be doing circa 3200+, but haven't as yet loaded any.
They will be doing something similar to my moderate load with a 120g TTSX in the 7mm Rem Mag at 3250fps. They work really well without excessive meat damage. When I upped the velocity to 3400 plus the meat damage on Roe at least did increase a fair bit so I stopped pushing them so hard.
Right, so currently it’s little more than an unproven concept, until test prove it is what you think it will be.
So why come on a public forum and claim it is world leading!! A bit like @dodgyknees picking up on the fact your bullets are the same as others yet you claim they are unique……
Not the best way to build a good reputation
Yep, by the sounds of it, sure
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