Vacancy: Volunteer humane animal dispatcher

[cookingfat]

Cops really wouldn’t have the time to chop it up in the canteen. Not that most forces even have a canteen now days. As posted they are the responsibility of the local authorities where the road lies.

As to the question about business insurance. Any police officer who uses their personal vehicle to travel from police station to another during a tour of duty or travel to a different police station to where they are based from home even going to training is required to have business insurance. It goes for anyone using a vehicle connected in any way to business use. Might sound ridiculous to some but that’s the way insurance companies write policies. Often it can be included for free. The wording needed social, domestic, pleasure and business use or words to that effect.

Quite often the ARV units are very small in number per county. If they are on a firearms call out then there won’t be a HAD capability and there is potential for an animal to be left suffering. If they are free I agree, use an ARV. It’s sometimes the case a road is closed until and animal is euthanised as it poses a danger to road users.

The volunteer role of HAD could cover the gap. Show that firearms users/stalkers hold the welfare of animals highly. Yes, a vet could be called out with the respective £300 (picked out of the air) fee. But the police are under pressure to save money so have offered the position to a volunteer.

There is a lot of negativity towards the police and firearms licensing. Don’t let it spill over to animal welfare. There will be someone who wants to put something back into society and volunteer for this role, I’m sure.

You are obviously someone who knows how things work.

 

[scotch_egg]

You are obviously someone who knows how things work.

You could say I have a little experience of how things work.

I’m pragmatic in any approach and understand people’s frustrations. A little working knowledge goes a long way. If I can help I will.

 

[Ratcatcher]

Apologies to the OP for my ramblings, but my point remains, if you can find someone in a local authority, who will respond to a deer at the side of a road, the best of British luck!

 

[8x57]

Ah no, there's a new method since COVID, it's called " not working from home" where you aren't able to contact anyone, mobile, landline, emails etc the stock reply we got by email was " due to workload this email may not be responded to for up to 5 days" it became a complete joke but not at all funny. I'm glad to be out of it!

Similar approach with our local unitary authority, 5 days to acknowledge receipt and up to 21 working days to reply, only they don't. I recently made a relatively simple enquiry regarding a public footpath. Immediate automatic response but waited four weeks for a reply and when none received contacted them again. After 6 weeks I involved the ward councillor, he too was disappointed by their lack of reply which eventually was received after 9 weeks. Then reply repeated again 2 weeks after that by another council officer along with an apology for the delay in replying.

I'm not sure if some of the officers in my local unitary authority are simply incompetent or just bone idle (I think probably both).
Some time ago in order to form some sort of factual evidence regarding a perceived increase in deer numbers and deer activity locally, I contacted our local unitary authority to request information on any incidents of any type involving deer that they had dealt with over the previous five years. Their reply received two months later was that they had not had any incidents involving deer whatsoever at any time. I knew this to be blatantly untrue as I personally knew of several incidents within only a mile of my home including a roe and a muntjac knocked down on local roads. (Both dead at the roadside - busy main roads, urban.)
By contrast a similar request to the local police force produced a reply after only a week or so with a break down of deer incidents parish by parish over a five year period.

 

[Rake Aboot]

As anside is ammo classed as harzardois goods??

If they are they might start asking more questions about firearms/ammo transfer.

I know i got slightly caught out mentioning i carry petrol for my chainsaws in my van.
Was changing van details and they almost cancelled my policy over it.
By rights im only allowed to carry 5L at a time, and that was after i argued with them ( how many builders, gardeners will carry a petrol can) they wanted zero petrol at all.
Which is only just enough for 1 day, sometimes not even enough.

You’d think they would be aware that the van has a massive fuel container underneath it ffs !

They make up some stupid rules

 

[8x57]

You’d think they would be aware that the van has a massive fuel container underneath it ffs !

They make up some stupid rules

Fixed fuel tanks on vehicles different legislation. It's not the insurance company that's making up the rules, it's all to do with the law (Petroleum Consolidation Act) which is an absolute minefield of confusion as regards what you can carry and how it is carried.
I'm not sure if it's absolutely correct because like I previously said the legislation is confusing and has changed, but at one time it was said that it was illegal to carry any spare petrol in the boot of your car. You could carry a spare fuel can in case you ran out of petrol but you couldn't carry any petrol in it (diesel didn't count).

Years ago before administration and enforcement of the Petroleum Consolidation Act was transferred to the local authority our County fire service administered the act, issuing licences to store and sell petrol etc. (It varied from County/Brigade to Brigade, some administered petroleum some did not. Some administered the storage of explosives , some did not. )
We had the ridiculous situation whereby when you totalled up the amount of fuel carried in spare fuel cans for portable pumps and generators etc. on the fire engines on a fire station it exceeded the storage limits and technically the fire service had to issue a licence to itself and carry out annual inspections.

 

[ndjfb00]

Cops really wouldn’t have the time to chop it up in the canteen. Not that most forces even have a canteen now days. As posted they are the responsibility of the local authorities where the road lies.

As to the question about business insurance. Any police officer who uses their personal vehicle to travel from police station to another during a tour of duty or travel to a different police station to where they are based from home even going to training is required to have business insurance. It goes for anyone using a vehicle connected in any way to business use. Might sound ridiculous to some but that’s the way insurance companies write policies. Often it can be included for free. The wording needed social, domestic, pleasure and business use or words to that effect.

Quite often the ARV units are very small in number per county. If they are on a firearms call out then there won’t be a HAD capability and there is potential for an animal to be left suffering. If they are free I agree, use an ARV. It’s sometimes the case a road is closed until and animal is euthanised as it poses a danger to road users.

The volunteer role of HAD could cover the gap. Show that firearms users/stalkers hold the welfare of animals highly. Yes, a vet could be called out with the respective £300 (picked out of the air) fee. But the police are under pressure to save money so have offered the position to a volunteer.

There is a lot of negativity towards the police and firearms licensing. Don’t let it spill over to animal welfare. There will be someone who wants to put something back into society and volunteer for this role, I’m sure.

I can't argue with any of what you've said here, clearly ex or current job! Anyway in my force there is a firm belief HAD's take the carcass away, usually with a quip of ''big BBQ at yours tonight then'' obviously we dont and rely on the our LA online collection form for disposal. On the topic of ARV's, I'm sure Hants have some costings (saved) whereby using HAD's vs ARV's has a value, good ol'e humane dispatch, guaranteed to get the juices flowing

 

[Bowland blades]

Never understood why so many want to take on the task . it has so many traps to trip the unwary or the over keen

 

[ndjfb00]

Never understood why so many want to take on the task . it has so many traps to trip the unwary or the over keen

Again, can't argue with your point, the HAD makes his/her own risk assessment and NOT let emotions of the injured deer/informant take over any rational thinking, with experience the 'unwary' element you refer to dissapates, if it doesn't the HAD must stand down for that incident. I fully understand the point you are making, it's not for everyone.

 

[ndjfb00]

Given the dedication to home brewing among members of this site, no-one would be sober enough to drive anywhere at a moment's notice anyway, and particularly not to a place where police are.
The home brewer needs time to plan ahead, as anytime from lunchtime onwards can be risky. (Or elevenses time, in hot weather).

Love that comment

 

[dryan]

Why do you need business insurance on your personal vehicle if they’re not paying you?

Voluntary means you don’t have any obligation to attend.

 

[ndjfb00]

Why do you need business insurance on your personal vehicle if they’re not paying you?

Voluntary means you don’t have any obligation to attend.

Because you are not attending under social, dom, pleasure or going to/from normal place of work.

I think in summary (general comment, not aimed at you) and upon reading all the comments on this post this voluntary role appeals to a very very small select few.

I think if you ask how much do I get? you're probably not suitable hence my term a select few.

Yes it costs a HAD to go on and be on a scheme but it's rewarding especially if you stalk in your HAD area, I'm referring to the humane element and believe me you'll see some pretty worthy causes for HAD.

As I said, we all know the reasons for not going on it and those get covered time and time again HAD crops up on here.

 

[dryan]

Because you are not attending under social, dom, pleasure or going to/from normal place of work.

I think in summary (general comment, not aimed at you) and upon reading all the comments on this post this voluntary role appeals to a very very small select few.

I think if you ask how much do I get? you're probably not suitable hence my term a select few.

Yes it costs a HAD to go on and be on a scheme but it's rewarding especially if you stalk in your HAD area, I'm referring to the humane element and believe me you'll see some pretty worthy causes for HAD.

As I said, we all know the reasons for not going on it and those get covered time and time again HAD crops up on here.

Are you not attending for pleasure? Pleasure as it’s an extension of your stalking hobby.

I am on a police database as a deer dispatcher, but as it’s voluntary and expenses are not paid I don’t deem it work, done for pleasure (satisfaction of helping maintain/managing deer populations).

 

[ndjfb00]

Are you not attending for pleasure? Pleasure as it’s an extension of your stalking hobby.

I am on a police database as a deer dispatcher, but as it’s voluntary and expenses are not paid I don’t deem it work, done for pleasure (satisfaction of helping maintain/managing deer populations).

Are you not attending for pleasure? Pleasure as it’s an extension of your stalking hobby.

I am on a police database as a deer dispatcher, but as it’s voluntary and expenses are not paid I don’t deem it work, done for pleasure (satisfaction of helping maintain/managing deer populations).

I think you'd have a hard job with your ins company should anything occur whilst on a call, sound them outit's a mandatory requirement for my scheme too and I'm actually glad I have it tbh. I find I'm fairly vunerable on some of our A roads so with that ins box ticked I'll run with it as is, I also run my truck as a business asesst so it works for me.

 

[ndjfb00]

Are you not attending for pleasure? Pleasure as it’s an extension of your stalking hobby.

I am on a police database as a deer dispatcher, but as it’s voluntary and expenses are not paid I don’t deem it work, done for pleasure (satisfaction of helping maintain/managing deer populations).

Are you not attending for pleasure? Pleasure as it’s an extension of your stalking hobby.

I am on a police database as a deer dispatcher, but as it’s voluntary and expenses are not paid I don’t deem it work, done for pleasure (satisfaction of helping maintain/managing deer populations).

I think you'd have a hard job with your ins company should anything occur whilst on a call, sound them outit's a mandatory requirement for my scheme too and I'm actually glad I have it tbh. I find I'm fairly vunerable on some of our A roads so with that ins box ticked I'll run with it as is, I also run my truck as a business asesst so it works for me.

 

[dryan]

I’m actually a CFR 1st responder too (defib in local area) no business insurance required for that either. I suppose there may be differences between the UK and Ireland in this respect.

I actually had a doe dead 150 yards from my house on Wednesday morning, most are dead dead after collision, probably as it’s usually hgvs on the road in the early hours.

 

[ndjfb00]

I’m actually a CFR 1st responder too (defib in local area) no business insurance required for that either. I suppose there may be differences between the UK and Ireland in this respect.

I actually had a doe dead 150 yards from my house on Wednesday morning, most are dead dead after collision, probably as it’s usually hgvs on the road in the early hours.

That's a very worthwhile 2nd role you have there, upmost respect to you, I did a police trauma course as I was finding I was first on scene where the deer impact has caused injuries, best course I've ever done by far and those blue lights are a welcome sight in that scenioro.

I think the ins thingy is like most things, great as is until something goes wrong and you need to claim!

If you are on FB have a look at a FB I run, East Sussex Deer Warden Hints and Tips

 

[Bowland blades]

Why do you need business insurance on your personal vehicle if they’re not paying you?

Voluntary means you don’t have any obligation to attend.

The laws of the whole thing can go very bad as no insurer can insure someone who acts illegally - That's why so few will do it ! The Police cannot actually give you legal permission to shoot on the public roads or for you to enter land with a firearm, they themselves cannot trespass unless they are doing so to apprehend escaping criminals etc or to prevent a crime taking place .

 

[ndjfb00]

The laws of the whole thing can go very bad as no insurer can insure someone who acts illegally - That's why so few will do it ! The Police cannot actually give you legal permission to shoot on the public roads or for you to enter land with a firearm, they themselves cannot trespass unless they are doing so to apprehend escaping criminals etc or to prevent a crime taking place .

Nothing is being done illegally! If a police ref is obtained my BASC HAD insurance is valid, my SG Cert has a condition for HAD as does my FAC but Ive only ever used a rifle once in 100's of HAD's.

As for the private land - any FAC / SG holder who doesn't know this is not worthy of holding those certs, but strangely on occasion the police HAVE obtained permission for me to dispatch on private land adj to an A road, police were present as was the land owner after the event who was fine with it all.

 

[carthorse]

Surly in times when FAC is being tightened up any extra ticks in boxes would help justify the FAC you hold. There is as well the animal welfare side, dog food… and a potential to build bridges with land owners…. I am a fair distance from TVP but I would seriously consider doing it if I was in that area to build a reputation as being one of the “good guys” rather than a “gun toting red neck” as many of the public and uniformed lot see us.