What is to far

im not going into this one, the abilities of peoples equipment varys so much, as does thier ability to shoot. what is safe and in range for one person may not be for another. most centre fire rounds will still kill at very long ranges, 1000+ yrds. i personaly think good and bad shots should be left on the range in paper targets only. the only shots on animals should be lethal ones, not good or bad ones.

Skipp.
 
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Just read this on a differnt forum and thought about calibres and ranges what would be classed as to far and is 500mtrs a good shot or pour judgement. What others calibres will stretch this far comfortably.

Choc, there are target shooters using 6.5, 7mm and above who can produce exceptional groups at a 1000 yds and more. I once produced a group at 600yds with a L1A1 that was easily covered with a fag packet. I have also struggled to make a decent group at 200yds in a strong wind

But, and it's a dilly, the targets don't move whereas live quarry do. I have read of calculations that say from the time you think about pulling the trigger, to the time your bullet hits a deer 100yds away, takes about a 20th of a second. A deer can take flight for many reasons, or even just move slightly, making your carefully measured shot into something of a lottery as to weather you have a clean kill or not. The more you extend the distance, the more chance there is for error! And when dealing with live quarry I feel it is essential to do all I can to minimise any suffering I might cause.

I take my terms of sporting reference from those people who do, and have in the past, stalk their quarry. So as to deliver the most humane dispatch possible for my selected quarry species. I realise that occasionally, for special reasons, a longer shot than normal might have to be taken, to relieve suffering, but it is not standard best prectise. Certainly not something I think should be boasted about. The chaps I really admire can stalk you in to a group of deer that do not know you are there, and if the shot does not present itself properly, will come away with a clean barrel, and consience.

ft
 
Choc, there are target shooters using 6.5, 7mm and above who can produce exceptional groups at a 1000 yds and more. I once produced a group at 600yds with a L1A1 that was easily covered with a fag packet. I have also struggled to make a decent group at 200yds in a strong wind

But, and it's a dilly, the targets don't move whereas live quarry do. I have read of calculations that say from the time you think about pulling the trigger, to the time your bullet hits a deer 100yds away, takes about a 20th of a second. A deer can take flight for many reasons, or even just move slightly, making your carefully measured shot into something of a lottery as to weather you have a clean kill or not. The more you extend the distance, the more chance there is for error! And when dealing with live quarry I feel it is essential to do all I can to minimise any suffering I might cause.

I take my terms of sporting reference from those people who do, and have in the past, stalk their quarry. So as to deliver the most humane dispatch possible for my selected quarry species. I realise that occasionally, for special reasons, a longer shot than normal might have to be taken, to relieve suffering, but it is not standard best prectise. Certainly not something I think should be boasted about. The chaps I really admire can stalk you in to a group of deer that do not know you are there, and if the shot does not present itself properly, will come away with a clean barrel, and consience.

ft

Plus one for the prop! :thumb:

Says it all really.

Sam
 
7mm WSM 162 grain, time of flight to 500yds, 0.6211 sec.. time of flight to 1000yds, 1.4589secs & it's a long time while you're waiting to hear the strike too!
 
There was no way these chaps ever intended stalking they were waiting at the set distances i thank you for your reply,s for me it is about the stalking and if i ever had to take my cross hair off a deer /or Dial in then the shot would not be taken. So with my rifle thats a maximum of 200 mtr.

FLYTIE GREAT REPLY THANKS.
 
depends on different peoples ability but would say if you are not say over 95% sure you will get a first round kill then dont take the shot
 
I think I have shot them to 300M. I shot one at 200M during last fall's season. I prefer to shoot them close enough to smell. I still believe in hunting deer instead of assassinating them from long range.~Muir
 
Some people stalk for recreation and others cull deer. If you want to stalk them then you can never be too close. If you cull them then if you know you will kill it it is close enough, if you are not certain then it is too far. For some folk I've met 150 yards is too far and for others who cull deer and practise with many thousands of rounds a year then I know guys who can hold 'minute of bambi' in any wind out to 600 yards. I believe it is a personal thing and that I won't applaud the guy who assasinates deer at 1000yds any more than the guy who wastes an hour getting from 100 yards to twenty yards just to see the whites of it's eyes as it dies.
 
"...any more than the guy who wastes an hour getting from 100 yards to twenty yards just to see the whites of it's eyes as it dies."

I'll applaud him. Here we don't often have "culling" to the extent that deer are considered a pest and shooting them at 1000 yards is hugely unnecessary. (Not that I believe the average hunter is capable of this kind of shot, but...)

I do hunt with a handgun in a state where there are no provisions for handgunners or people with primitive weapons who need to be close to shoot. We must choose to hunt in this manner while competing with high powered rifles which entails hard, and often frustrating, stalking.

I once crawled two hundred yards over open ground to get to a small copse of trees so that I could be within shooting range of a herd of elk. When I was about settled, a hunter a few hundred yards behind me to my left opened fire on them, hitting and wounding one. I spoke to him as he came off of the ridge. Why did he shoot when he had watched me stalk across the open ground? Because otherwise, I would have gotten the shot and not him. If he'd had the skill to stalk out to the tree line on my left he too would have had an easy shot but he had neither the skill to stalk nor the skill to shoot. I declined the offer to help him track his wounded elk.

Hats of to the stalkers and a hearty "yawn" to the assassins. JMHO of course and like you said, to each his own.~Muir
 
Hi Muir,
I can absolutely understand the use of primitive weapons and the restrictions on deer ticket availability in other countries, but the guy who has a certain shot with a capable weapon at 100 yds who then crawls for an hour to 20 yards just to boast of his prowess is the guy who I was refering to in my post. I will creep and crawl to photograph stuff but I want my deer down and done at the first humane opportunity. For me personally a blown stalk is time wasted ( I am a farmer with many demands on my time) and while I appreciate and at one time was a recreational stalker I now just want the job done and I will forget bragging rights. Each to their own as stated but I personally would like to see less boasting ( either long range or short) and more deer on the grass.
 
I get it. I guess that with a suitable rifle I wouldn't hesitate one second at a 100 yard shot as I'd have no reason to get closer...~Muir
 
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