What wouldn’t you shoot?

[foxdropper]

@shakey jake
So it’s ok for your moral compass to allow an animal to die a horrendous death but catching fish then returning it later is wrong .
Justifying anything under the pest guise says it all to me Shakey and to put money at the forefront even worse .
Ive seen poisoned rats aplenty ,hate it , and given a choice Id rather be caught by the lip and dragged a few yards to be released later .
Your points are exactly what this thread aims to outline so bit of an own goal there

 

[shakey jake]

@shakey jake
So it’s ok for your moral compass to allow an animal to die a horrendous death but catching fish then returning it later is wrong .
Justifying anything under the pest guise says it all to me Shakey and to put money at the forefront even worse .
Ive seen poisoned rats aplenty ,hate it , and given a choice Id rather be caught by the lip and dragged a few yards to be released later .
Your points are exactly what this thread aims to outline so bit of an own goal there

ive never seen a rat or mouse die a horrendous death from anti coag bait. im not saying others shouldnt course fish, im just not happy to do it.
ive seen dying rats and mice, they always appear tired not in pain. i would prefer to stop a problem from happening but not always possible

 

[foxdropper]

Yep ,they all looked really chilled Jake almost like they were enjoying the ride .How about you take a cupful then get back to us in a day .Whatever that **** does it ain’t quick or painless yet you pesties dish it out like sweets ,literally .
Its the lazy way to show willing .
Im sure internal haemorrhage is very painless

 

[foxdropper]

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[shakey jake]

Yep ,they all looked really chilled Jake almost like they were enjoying the ride .How about you take a cupful then get back to us in a day .Whatever that **** does it ain’t quick or painless yet you pesties dish it out like sweets ,literally .
Its the lazy way to show willing .
Im sure internal haemorrhage is very painless

can you show any proof it isnt?
ive never heard of any proof it cause suffering.

 

[Ratel]

That Warfarin is rubbish. I've been taking it for ten years and it ain't killed me yet.

 

[25 Sharps]

That tag “invasive species”means nothing, its used as an excuse by some people to treat some species with a lack of respect and by officialdom to justify a lack of policy.
Once something is established, ineradicable and breeding in the wild its no longer a non native, its now part of our wildlife.

That is such a ridiculous statement it’s unreal!

Non native species can do a huge amount of damage to ecosystems and other species…..

 

[jall55]

can you show any proof it isnt?
ive never heard of any proof it cause suffering.

Cant be a great way to go though - bleeding to death - slowly - surrounded by your own kind all doing the same !

I would love to see much of the poisons or the people allowed to use them banned to be honest - the effect they have on other species is horrific.

 

[shakey jake]

Cant be a great way to go though - bleeding to death - slowly - surrounded by your own kind all doing the same !

I would love to see much of the poisons or the people allowed to use them banned to be honest - the effect they have on other species is horrific.

it wont be long before anti coag bait ifs banned but we need poison.

 

[BenBhoy]

to allow an animal to die a horrendous death

Totally agree mate. It's so strange how Joe public is OK with certain animals being killed in horrible ways. All depends how cute & fluffy you are. It's same with domestic wasp spray. I know they can be annoying little bastarđs but people don't appreciate how important they are for local ecosystems & the way they writhe about after spraying looks horrendous- imagine a rabbit dying like that & every UK housewife being OK with it! Weird.

 

[foxdropper]

Double standards Ben .Treat all life with a degree of fairness .If it has to die then make it quick and painless .Not too much to ask is it .

 

[foxdropper]

That is such a ridiculous statement it’s unreal!

Non native species can do a huge amount of damage to ecosystems and other species…..

I think what the chaps saying is that an invasive tag is one thing ,here to stay is another and authorities really couldn’t care less about the damage caused or we would get on top the invasion straight away .
I understand his sentiments totally .
All these invasive animals seemed to have blended in quite well tbh and our country would be a poorer place without them .
Apart from signal crayfish ,Asian hornets and African bees can anyone state a species that had a prolonged effect on another species .Mink were supposed to obliterate fisheries but that never happened and now the otter will regulate their numbers apparently .
Sika deer have hybridised with the reds but there are still plenty of reds showing full characteristics .
Muntjac filled a void or they wouldn’t be doing so well .
Plant life might be a good case ,Jap knotweed ,giant hogweed ,rhododendrons, green alkanet
Im talking shite I know but sounded good to start with

 

[Dunwaters]

That is such a ridiculous statement it’s unreal!

Non native species can do a huge amount of damage to ecosystems and other species…..

How is it ridiculous to point out that policy towards “non native and invasive“ species begins and ends with the designation?

 

[willie_gunn]

Apart from signal crayfish ,Asian hornets and African bees can anyone state a species that had a prolonged effect on another species .

Grey squirrels? Also Mink.

 

[shakey jake]

harlequin lady birds, brown rat, cats

 

[foxdropper]

Fair enough .Forgot about the grey squirrel and it’s effect on the red .Brown rats are surely indigenous now having been here hundreds of years same as fallow .
The mink is undoubtedly an accomplished killer but was never the threat it was deemed to be at first .
Cats definitely .We are on the same page there Jake .

 

[willie_gunn]

Fair enough .Forgot about the grey squirrel and it’s effect on the red .Brown rats are surely indigenous now having been here hundreds of years same as fallow .
The mink is undoubtedly an accomplished killer but was never the threat it was deemed to be at first .
Cats definitely .We are on the same page there Jake .

Re: mink, you might need to tell the water voles that they are not a threat! Together with habitat destruction, the introduction of mink has seen the water vole population dramatically reduced. Here in Oxfordshire there is a concerted effort from the local Wildlife Trust to control mink.

NatureScot apparently think otherwise too: American mink and Mink Control Project | Scottish Invasive Species Initiative

 

[foxdropper]

Here in Wilts mate the voles are thriving .For something with very few natural predators before the mink ,numbers are back to where they should be ,at least here .I can go right now to our canal and see maybe 20 along a two mile stretch where they have lost all fear of humans .
Control of anything is important I agree and maybe a trapping campaign has been undertaken locally under the radar but I’ve seen mink along that stretch too as well as an otter only two weeks ago .
Moderation is the key to any wildlife numbers .
Along a stretch of the local river /stream through our village ,there is a spot that did have a good head of voles but people started feeding the ducks resulting in rats moving in ,breeding and taking over the vole buries .
The brown rat displaced the vole ,now it’s not unusual to see mink working the place in daylight after the rats .
I used to trap mink for the local fishing club years ago and yes certain times of the year ,movement is very obvious but other times they travel a huge expanse of territory .
Id agree that locally any predator can be a pest and needs dealing with .

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Re: mink, you might need to tell the water voles that they are not a threat! Together with habitat destruction, the introduction of mink has seen the water vole population dramatically reduced. Here in Oxfordshire there is a concerted effort from the local Wildlife Trust to control mink.

NatureScot apparently think otherwise too: American mink and Mink Control Project | Scottish Invasive Species Initiative

And king fishers...

 

[tikkathreebarrels]

My neighbour's cats that clear out all the hedgerow nestlings, usually vomiting up constituent parts somewhere indiscreet and cack in the wife's flower beds: I simply don't have the room to contain any ricochets.