Wild justice challenge against releasing non native game birds

[finnbear270]

Rules already apply re game sold on for food https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2017/07/QA-Annex.pdf David, I think you may have missed the point I was making, and I think I remember something about game meat hygiene way back on a level1 (With the eminently qualified David Stretton),

 

[David63]

Sorry if I missed your point finnbear. My thoughts are that there are rules on processing game for human consumption, there is the work being delivered by the British Game Alliance to link more shoots up with game processors and more game processors linked up to restaurants and other game food outlets, and the work being delivered by BASC to further promote the consumption of game. So I am sure we will all agree that if we are going to shoot game etc its going to be used as food

 

[enfieldspares]

Ok. So is there an answer to my question that, if this goes to law, that someone will ask the Court to ensure that those who contributed to the action will be also billed for any costs if WJ lose the case? And has or will BASC seek legal opinion about this now?

 

[David63]

We are looking at all the issues surrounding this challenge

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

the consumption of game.

This will be the downfall of the industry

 

[kes]

I hope David, that someone at BASC will realise that "looking at", is no comfort to your members.
A new way needs to be found which does not compromise the legal actions (or is it reactions) but informs your members and prospective members. Possibly a statement after the fact ?
I have asked for a reasoned statement about why no JR has been instigated at any stage over the medical 'crisis' and why the political route (so-called) was preferred. No answer has been the deafening reply.
Until BASC (or any other org) comes clean when it can and involves/informs its membership on this and other issues, credibility will nose-dive.
Such a crisis of confidence cannot be allowed to happen as we are on the edge and being pushed closer. No-one, least of all BASC can afford to be complacent.
Its time to change down a gear and start pushing back - hard.

 

[David63]

I do not understand your point Edinburgh Rifles?

 

[jimbo1984]

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[David63]

Kes,
this thread is about Wild Justice and I for one am not going to go off at a tangent talking about the medical involvement in licencing. However there has been some movement on this re the consultation and information on that is on the BASC web site.

We did ask our lawyers to look at the issue of the liability of donors to a crowdfunding appeal to run a case to law, and I have literally just this moment got sight of their reply. Basically the individual donors will not be further liable

 

[David63]

Jim, you may, or may not be surprised at how many attacks there are various aspects of shooting and firearms ownership going on all the time. Having a robust political defence, and a strong network of cross party politicians supportive of shooting and firearms ownership has been fundamentally important to ensure that we still have something to shoot with, something to shoot at and somewhere to shoot.
David

 

[Orion]

I hope David, that someone at BASC will realise that "looking at", is no comfort to your members.
A new way needs to be found which does not compromise the legal actions (or is it reactions) but informs your members and prospective members. Possibly a statement after the fact ?
I have asked for a reasoned statement about why no JR has been instigated at any stage over the medical 'crisis' and why the political route (so-called) was preferred. No answer has been the deafening reply.
Until BASC (or any other org) comes clean when it can and involves/informs its membership on this and other issues, credibility will nose-dive.
Such a crisis of confidence cannot be allowed to happen as we are on the edge and being pushed closer. No-one, least of all BASC can afford to be complacent.
Its time to change down a gear and start pushing back - hard.

Kes,

Details and links to relevant letters here.

 

[jimbo1984]

Jim, you may, or may not be surprised at how many attacks there are various aspects of shooting and firearms ownership going on all the time. Having a robust political defence, and a strong network of cross party politicians supportive of shooting and firearms ownership has been fundamentally important to ensure that we still have something to shoot with, something to shoot at and somewhere to shoot.
David

I agree that we should have a strong political defense and also politicians supportive of shooting and I think that’s great David , it just seems that despite this we get ridden over roughshod a hell of a lot , the case in point being the medical fiasco , I just hope bascs new stance holds up I really do , as I feel the time for softly softly tactics is over ..... we’ve tried it for a long time and it’s clearly not getting enough support
Atb jim

 

[David63]

Thanks Jim

 

[Orion]

David,

While we have your attention can you throw any light on what exactly the recently introduced S.55A(4) Firearms Act 1968 is actually meant to achieve?

It appears, certainly from recent antics at D&C FLD, that Chief Constables can simply completely ignore the HOG and go their own way because ‘it’s just Guidance’.

 

[kes]

Kes,

Details and links to relevant letters here.

Thanks Orion but there is nothing here about Scotland or wanting to hear from cases in Merseyside/Lincolnshire. GM etc - I read all BASC's news because I believe in not slanting an argument.
BASC ignored Scotland, asked for examples in the other areas and did nothing - I am hoping against experience that all that is past history but I have said that before and become increasingly impassioned about those who say one thing and do another. Sorry, ranting again.

 

[CarlW]

Annoying as this latest WJ nonsense is, I do think it is a useful opportunity for BASC to unite us shooters behind them. Aside from the initial 'disappointed' response from the CEO, BASC and the others did a pretty good job around the GL issue. This bought them a little bit of forgiveness for the previous period of scandal and underperformance. I am heartened by the commitment to litigating the gamebird issue. Personally, I feel (very cautiously) hopeful that we have left the appeasement years behind us and that we will now take the fight to the enemy.

The rules of the game have changed. Keep the gloves off, please BASC.

Kind regards,

Carl

 

[David63]

Orion,
Yes the current guidance is just that as you say, and the consultation referenced above, and the link you refer to looks to tighten this up.

Kes, BASC did not ignore Scotland, but it was a totally different political set up and forced through by the Scottish politicians. Yes we have asked for people in other areas to come forward so we could run an appeal ,but no one did

 

[Frank Homes]

David,

While we have your attention can you throw any light on what exactly the recently introduced S.55A(4) Firearms Act 1968 is actually meant to achieve?

It appears, certainly from recent antics at D&C FLD, that Chief Constables can simply completely ignore the HOG and go their own way because ‘it’s just Guidance’.

Orion,

I am not sure that this section is effective yet because the guidance needs to be consulted upon and revised. That's what i remember when it was first introduced, may be wrong.

F

 

[finnbear270]

Jim, you may, or may not be surprised at how many attacks there are various aspects of shooting and firearms ownership going on all the time. Having a robust political defence, and a strong network of cross party politicians supportive of shooting and firearms ownership has been fundamentally important to ensure that we still have something to shoot with, something to shoot at and somewhere to shoot.
David

Not for long unless your organisation stretches its legal legs a bit more matey, don’t know how old you are but unless your pension pot is full I wouldn’t hold out too much hope of a better retirement.

 

[Benelli m2]

F Packman is successful in this court case I would not like to be in his shoes
I would be afraid to go outside anywhere someone somewhere will get at him
He must be thick as shite