Wild justice challenge against releasing non native game birds

[kes]

What a ....... shambles. Charlie is right and the others are wrong.
I fear the old way of 'not talking about' and 'enduring' - another BASC phrase is so pathetic as to be dangerous. Will someone please sort out BASC etc, it is well past the "voice of shooting" and very much the "tone of resignation". It makes me cringe. It is also nothing like what is needed - take them on for ........ sake. I am very surprised at WGCT rather unlike them.

 

[David63]

Our statement is here: BASC release statement on Packham and The Game Fair -

 

[VSS]

Our statement is here: BASC release statement on Packham and The Game Fair -

I'm by no means a "basc basher", but I have to say that the attitude portrayed in that statement is short sighted, narrow minded, and playing straight into their hands.

 

[reloader54]

I'm by no means a "basc basher", but I have to say that the attitude portrayed in that statement is short sighted, narrow minded, and playing straight into their hands.

what were you expecting?,,, basc "welcomes" the opportunity to engage packham, avery and the other bellend criminal.

 

[Gameking]

Call him out, invite him to your (our) media centre

The huge fanfare some years ago about the need for a media centre to deal with the future - social media / internet/ twitter platforms paid for by millions of our subscriptions - has it ever been used ? the videos of the CEO are usually filmed on a smartphone outside the front door of Marford Mill (where the staff rarely venture from !!!!)

Very welcoming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kes]

Woeful statement.

Shows a distinct lack of awareness. Celebrate all things country by all means - whilst we have them. At this rate of success the next game fair will have to be cancelled due to lack of support.

Woeful - meaning ; dreadful, very bad, deplorable, shameful, hopeless, lamentable, laughable, substandard, poor, inadequate, inferior, unsatisfactory.
I hesitate to say - typically BASC - but only for a moment !

 

[Mickeydredd]

Our statement is here: BASC release statement on Packham and The Game Fair -

David
Is there a proposal to meet with the gang of three, preferably recorded/televised to have the discussion at an appropriate venue instead?
Regards
Mike

 

[kes]

David
Is there a proposal to meet with the gang of three, preferably recorded/televised to have the discussion at an appropriate venue instead?
Regards
Mike

A reasonable expectation of the answer is no - the BASC statement said they didnt want to give him a platform for his anti stance- so I dont expect ANY confrontation with Packham.

 

[CarlW]

I agree with the idea of confronting and debating with him (preferably on television), but I think BASC are right to support his exclusion from the Game Fair. To invite him adds a layer of legitimacy that he and his gang of vermin don't merit.

Kind regards,

Carl

 

[Mick9abf]

Our statement is here: BASC release statement on Packham and The Game Fair -

I’m sorry David but my opinion is that by doing this it will only give Packham, Avery and their cronies something else to add ‘spin’ on.

As others have said completely shortsighted; with the correct interviewer who has done their research you could actually of made them look very poor, particularly in relation to Packham who, I’m convinced a good interviewer would be able to push over the edge, he is used to the normal prepared questions and cosy forum that he is given by the usual suspects and thereafter it is plastered all over social media, television etc - a bit of his own medicine wouldn’t go amiss.

My opinion as a BASC member - you look like your running scared, sorry but there it is.

 

[reloader54]

I’m sorry David but my opinion is that by doing this it will only give Packham, Avery and their cronies something else to add ‘spin’ on.

As others have said completely shortsighted; with the correct interviewer who has done their research you could actually of made them look very poor, particularly in relation to Packham who, I’m convinced a good interviewer would be able to push over the edge, he is used to the normal prepared questions and cosy forum that he is given by the usual suspects and thereafter it is plastered all over social media, television etc - a bit of his own medicine wouldn’t go amiss.

My opinion as a BASC member - you look like your running scared, sorry but there it is.

yep just watch out for a packham/wj statement claiming they were told not to attend because those that prevented it were scared of the "true" facts. that's packhams facts of course.

 

[Benelli m2]

I'm by no means a "basc basher", but I have to say that the attitude portrayed in that statement is short sighted, narrow minded, and playing straight into their hands.

Why not invite the ****rr over for tea may as well

 

[Benelli m2]

Had my reminder to renew my membership for the basc Which I will not be doing due to the lack of fight for our sport
Totally waste of money ****ed if I'm keeping them in Champaign dinners and posh cars I'm out

 

[countrryboy]

I’m sorry David but my opinion is that by doing this it will only give Packham, Avery and their cronies something else to add ‘spin’ on.

As others have said completely shortsighted; with the correct interviewer who has done their research you could actually of made them look very poor, particularly in relation to Packham who, I’m convinced a good interviewer would be able to push over the edge, he is used to the normal prepared questions and cosy forum that he is given by the usual suspects and thereafter it is plastered all over social media, television etc - a bit of his own medicine wouldn’t go amiss.

My opinion as a BASC member - you look like your running scared, sorry but there it is.

I totally agree with wot u say, which I exactly why they shouldn't do it at the game fair.
Who's ever going to see it??
Packham ran scared on GMTV, that's the type of stage u need to be having the debate on, open and relatively unbaised that will be watched by a wide audience.

The stooges would simple claim a fix or bias from crowd/interviewer and then will be pre armed for any future debate.

Make no mistake pack am is brilliant at creating PR and spin and using social media, any poor taste heckles etc or threats would be taken out off context and spun all over the internet

 

[Mick9abf]

I totally agree with wot u say, which I exactly why they shouldn't do it at the game fair.
Who's ever going to see it??

Make no mistake pack am is brilliant at creating PR and spin and using social media, any poor taste heckles etc or threats would be taken out off context and spun all over the internet

Point 1 - social media/YouTube (livestream) is used far more by people to ‘research’ or gain an ‘opinion’ as opposed to mainstream media who, if he made enough of a fool of himself, would pick up the ball and start running if there was a story in it. It may even make him too hot to handle by the likes of the BBC if he really went off the reserve.

Point 2 - all he needs to do is say that there were threats made to him and that this move by BASC was a way to avoid shooters assaulting/confronting him (insert whatever moonhowlery he will come out with), and this will enforce his view he is untouchable and we are all psychopaths and his (Packham’s) view is the only right and normal one and this proves the shooting fraternity are scared of him - there’s his PR spin given to him by our shooting orgs......

As for being pre armed - facts are facts, and if you stick to them it leaves no room for error, statistics are different and can be manipulated.

As I said completely short sighted.

 

[B&W FOX]

Point 1 - social media/YouTube (livestream) is used far more by people to ‘research’ or gain an ‘opinion’ as opposed to mainstream media who, if he made enough of a fool of himself, would pick up the ball and start running if there was a story in it. It may even make him too hot to handle by the likes of the BBC if he really went off the reserve.

Point 2 - all he needs to do is say that there were threats made to him and that this move by BASC was a way to avoid shooters assaulting/confronting him (insert whatever moonhowlery he will come out with), and this will enforce his view he is untouchable and we are all psychopaths and his (Packham’s) view is the only right and normal one and this proves the shooting fraternity are scared of him - there’s his PR spin given to him by our shooting orgs......

As for being pre armed - facts are facts, and if you stick to them it leaves no room for error, statistics are different and can be manipulated.

As I said completely short sighted.

Post now on WJ blog page.!!!!!!

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

It's clear the decision to withdraw the invite to Chris Packham has divided opinion. Charlie Jacoby at Fieldsports TV has said that he has it on very good authority from within his industry that Packham is involved in a BBC Panorama programme called something like 'Slaughter on the Grouse Moors'. To that end, it's safe to assume Packham was coming to The Game Fair for propaganda purposes, not balanced debate.

People could also ask themselves why Packham and his agent apparently didn't want BASC to take part in a recent debate on General Licences within the confines of the Good Morning Britain TV studios but was willing to march into the Game Fair Theatre this weekend, probably with a TV crew in tow.

Conor O'Gorman
Head of Policy and Campaigns at BASC

 

[Mick9abf]

It's clear the decision to withdraw the invite to Chris Packham has divided opinion. Charlie Jacoby at Fieldsports TV has said that he has it on very good authority from within his industry that Packham is involved in a BBC Panorama programme called something like 'Slaughter on the Grouse Moors'. To that end, it's safe to assume Packham was coming to The Game Fair for propaganda purposes, not balanced debate.

People could also ask themselves why Packham and his agent apparently didn't want BASC to take part in a recent debate on General Licences within the confines of the Good Morning Britain TV studios but was willing to march into the Game Fair Theatre this weekend, probably with a TV crew in tow.

Conor O'Gorman
Head of Policy and Campaigns at BASC

That’s why a well informed and prepared interviewer could have controlled the interview and brought out questions that he would not answer well regarding various untruths and suppositions, highlights his refusal to debate with shooting orgs etc on national television outwith his BBC poster boy naturalist control.

As I’ve said I think the correct interviewer could push him to lose the rag and show his true colours.

I’m sorry but if it was put all over social media in its entirety they could try and edit anything they like but it’s out there for all to see.

 

[Mick9abf]

It's clear the decision to withdraw the invite to Chris Packham has divided opinion. Charlie Jacoby at Fieldsports TV has said that he has it on very good authority from within his industry that Packham is involved in a BBC Panorama programme called something like 'Slaughter on the Grouse Moors'. To that end, it's safe to assume Packham was coming to The Game Fair for propaganda purposes, not balanced debate.

People could also ask themselves why Packham and his agent apparently didn't want BASC to take part in a recent debate on General Licences within the confines of the Good Morning Britain TV studios but was willing to march into the Game Fair Theatre this weekend, probably with a TV crew in tow.

Conor O'Gorman
Head of Policy and Campaigns at BASC

That’s why a well informed and prepared interviewer could have controlled the interview and brought out questions that he would not answer well regarding various untruths and suppositions, highlights his refusal to debate with shooting orgs etc on national television outwith his BBC poster boy naturalist control.

As I’ve said I think the correct interviewer could push him to lose the rag and show his true colours.

I’m sorry but if it was put all over social media in its entirety they could try and edit anything they like but it’s out there for all to see.

To add if BASC don’t have someone of the calibre to do this interview, why don’t they as clearly someone is employed in a position that they are not capable of performing.

I’m not BASC bashing I just find it incredulous that you avoid conflict and don’t have anyone with the capabilities or minerals to do a potentially hostile interview which is what members want/expect.

 

[kes]

'People may ask themselves,' as Mr Gorman comments (rather arrogantly), why they pay their membership fee for such ineptitude in the face of such an opportunity.
I'm not surprised DavidBASC wasnt briefed - he might have had a different view.