David Barker
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Drop the female deer season change!
Why SGA opposes changing female deer seasons- and what Scottish Government must do NOW!
Will it stop (Red Deer Season Change)
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I'm not interested in Scottish politics, but I think it's farcical that a shooting organisation such as the SGA is opposing this change, using all the emotive language usually spouted by the "antis".
For the first time in decades, deer managers may be able to make their own decisions about when to cull, but no: In a typically British fashion, stalkers prefer the familiar "comfort blanket" of outdated legislation and red tape.
Malxwal
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They're obsessed with eradicating sporting interests, "toff" land ownership (unless they're the new green lairds or faceless multinationals), and ultimately firearms ownership. The deer are collateral damage..
Trouble is Tim Malxwal beat me to it yes I understand your management argument but that's not Snp,s agenda here .
They're not offering choice but slowly trying to wipe out any Scottish deer .
Their ideas of forced culls and making landowners pay their contractors fees agreed by the government is not choice but imposition.
Yes deer legislation needs updating but surely with people,s agreement not " do as we tell you."
Which seems the current situation atb
They're not offering choice but slowly trying to wipe out any Scottish deer .
Their ideas of forced culls and making landowners pay their contractors fees agreed by the government is not choice but imposition.
Yes deer legislation needs updating but surely with people,s agreement not " do as we tell you."
Which seems the current situation atb
south-nofolk-stalker
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Don’t see a problem personally, wish they would do it south of the border
Malxwal
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South of the Border isn't the discussion.
south-nofolk-stalker
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Ok then personally I don’t see the problem
HonestJohn
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We don’t have a deer problem up here, there is down south in many areas. In fact I’d go as far as to argue red deer should be entering into tighter restrictions to avoid shameful eradication
It’s silly.Drop the female deer season change!
Why SGA opposes changing female deer seasons- and what Scottish Government must do NOW!www.scottishgamekeepers.co.uk
Quite possibly for the wrong reason, the government has actually done something most people on here constantly demand: they’ve removed some rules and essentially said ‘it’s your land, you decide’.
And then the SGA hangs part of their argument on mental health grounds?? That’s pathetic. You can’t one day get upset that you can’t use snares, and the next claim that shooting pregnant deer is traumatic. People might start to suspect that you’re just making it up as you go along to suit yourself.
Deerkeeper2
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Not sure why they are focusing on the closed season potentially starting on the 31st of March, that has no welfare issues. The proposal for the closed season to end on the 30th of September when calves are still socially dependent (if not strictly physically dependent) on the hinds is the bigger issue in my opinion. As for the mental health argument, I’m afraid they are making themselves look silly in my opinion. There are enough genuine rural mental health issues at the moment without people jumping on the bandwagon and using it as a lever.
There may well be a political intention to the law changes. But that doesn’t negate the fact that what they have done is exactly what so many people on here constantly demand: they have removed regulations and placed decision making in the hands of the landowners.
So - strip away your political distaste. Can you really say you object to being given GREATER freedom to decide what to do on your own land?
Fiadh
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NatureScot, who proclaim to be the Scottish Government's adviser on all aspects of nature, wildlife management and landscape across Scotland, hold a register which in their own words lists suitably qualified persons who are 'fit and competent' to manage deer across Scotland. How many of these people are being asked to cull deer on public land, very few I'd imagine apart from one or two community based schemes?
@theroedeerguy
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Wrong……the correct answer is quite a lot of people on the fit and competent register cull deer on public land because it’s a requirement as part of the application process for a night shooting authorisation.
So all of the contractors and public servants shooting on public land are also on the fit and competent register.
south-nofolk-stalker
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The big problem is, is this is a dirty subject and there are those who are prepared and willing to do it and get on and there are those who don’t like it and don’t want to do it.
This he powers that be will make the decisions and you either follow the requirements or you loose out, quite simple really.
This he powers that be will make the decisions and you either follow the requirements or you loose out, quite simple really.
@theroedeerguy
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Flexibility is key to successful deer management, be that flexibility to spend more time on the ground being managed, flexibility to adjust land management options to enhance deer management such as deer lawns or the flexibility to take the right deer for your management objectives at a time chosen by you.
I’m in favour of these progressive changes, not because I want to shoot heavily pregnant deer but because it enables those who manage deer to make their own decisions relative to their circumstances and objectives.
I appreciate the point being made by SGA but I don’t think anyone is advocating a change in order for heavily pregnant deer to be specifically targeted.
To put it into context. I was watching a Roe buck and a young Roe doe earlier this week.
The doe was clearly NOT pregnant and was within an area where the Roe density is high.
There would have been absolutely zero mental health, ethical or moral issues to have taken her as part of the management plan had the female season restrictions not been in place.
I’m in favour of these progressive changes, not because I want to shoot heavily pregnant deer but because it enables those who manage deer to make their own decisions relative to their circumstances and objectives.
I appreciate the point being made by SGA but I don’t think anyone is advocating a change in order for heavily pregnant deer to be specifically targeted.
To put it into context. I was watching a Roe buck and a young Roe doe earlier this week.
The doe was clearly NOT pregnant and was within an area where the Roe density is high.
There would have been absolutely zero mental health, ethical or moral issues to have taken her as part of the management plan had the female season restrictions not been in place.
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