That's fine, and fully understandable. Everyone in the industry can adopt those same ethics, if they wish.
Better to adopt a voluntary code than have "ethics" foisted upon you by law.
Will it stop (Red Deer Season Change)
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Better to adopt a voluntary code than have "ethics" foisted upon you by law.
David Barker
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Set properly a snare was an effective tool against a fox killing lambs. I have seen foxes die quicker than some that have been shot .Hence we have best practice for follow up. Wait thirty minutes one of the answers
Nickb
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So you are saying Night shooting, opening up Male season and opening up female season dont work.
My question is how would you reduce deer numbers in Scotland then ?
Exactly. It's an effective tool, that kills quickly. As is shooting pregnant females.
What's the difference between removing a dead fox from a wire and removing a dead calf from a hind?
If this was an issue of deregulation and allowing landowners to do as they wish, then it would also apply to other species with closed seasons. The fact that this is only about deer reveals the real motivation which is to make it easier for deer eradicaters (as opposed to deer managers) to slaughter the overwhelming majority of deer.
Nobody really has even an approximate idea of the numbers of deer in Scotland, or anywhere else. The use of the higher ends of these estimated by various vested interests to justify environmental vandalism is spurious.
Nobody really has even an approximate idea of the numbers of deer in Scotland, or anywhere else. The use of the higher ends of these estimated by various vested interests to justify environmental vandalism is spurious.
David Barker
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Nickb the last thing i would have done is remove the male season. I would make sure that every council in Scotland had a proper fit for purpose deer control plan. I have always been an advocate of including the recreational deer manger in the cull plan by incentives to cull more deer. (This is being trialed by Nature scot) Sadly in a very self serving way. Never was mass culling on such a small area ever going to work.
Nickb
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Please elaborate on what that would entail.
That's just muddying the debate with stuff that's not relevant.
We're talking specifically here about shooting deer, and the legislation surrounding it. People are, on the whole, very quick to protest against restrictive legislation in the fieldsports sector, and there are often claims made that we (shooters) are capable of self regulation. As an example, the excellent level of voluntary uptake of DSC1 is used as an argument against any suggestion that mandatory training ought to be introduced.
This is why I really cannot understand why anyone in the fieldsports sector is getting their knickers knotted about a situation that involves reducing some of the restrictions, and placing responsibility in the hands of those directly involved. It's just the sort of thing that our organisations should be campaigning for, not against!
RescueMe0007
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I did not find the arguments presented in the article to be persuasive or compelling. If one is culling deer then get used to the fact that the deer are going to die. The only way to significantly impact deer numbers is to cull the hinds/does and of course that's going to result in the death of the associated calf/fawn, thus the numbers will actually be reduced. All the rest is bilge!
Drop the female deer season change!
Why SGA opposes changing female deer seasons- and what Scottish Government must do NOW!www.scottishgamekeepers.co.uk
David Barker
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I thought my Answer was quite clear.
I wonder how people would have reacted if it had been a Tory policy, and packaged as an effort to reduce regulation.
At both ends of the political spectrum you see people vehemently protesting against policies that are in their own interests, just because the policy is being enacted by political opponents for reasons they disagree with.
Nickb
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No ...what would your deer control plan incorporate?
All the baron hinds/does
HonestJohn
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being a ‘neighbour’ on several estates that border commercial ground - I can see that this will be taken advantage of by those seeking venison sales and subsidy payments - what will happen is someone ‘next door’ trying to properly manage a population for age and demographics, will see all the good work ruined as the neighbours vacuum sucks them in and populations disappear. Thankfully I don’t pay rent on all my land, but one one that is exactly in that position, I’m considering giving it up as it’s just not worth the effort to maybe take 1 stag a year on 1000 acres, that used to deliver 5-6. Hinds, 3-4, used to deliver 15-17. This is just getting worse by the year.
So why do I see it as a negative??
The good news is it would appear the SNP are culling themselves now
HonestJohn
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Do you think the alternative is better?
As is often the way with parties in power for long runs they tend to self destruct, that does not mean the replacement is better it just means it’s a replacement, the very thing that will happen in England at the back end of this year
David Barker
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WHY ? Do you shoot your deer on the highland estate,s.
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