XL bully and dog breeds…

A it does actually remove the issue of the breed in question…eventually they will run out of breeds to make aggressive dogs or the genes that contribute towards them.
Hmmm. A little bit of lateral thinking - why not proscribe the type of knuckledragger who feels the need to own such a beast and usually contributes nothing to society, then with a selective breeding/culling programme we could remove them from the gene pool in only a couple of generations?
Simples!
Oh dear the sainted Lady FB thinks I am being extremist, ah well….
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I would definitely put more owness on the owners than the dogs, it's like pitbulls. Most were a good dog and were fantastic with kids and earned the nickname nanny dogs. However breeding to get more aggression out of them with and with their strength made them unpalatable to the public in the whole.

I remember a few years ago staffs getting a very bad wrap again because of a handful of incidents by less than reputable people. I think also, though can't remember where I heard it that labs and collies were responsible for more bites that most other breeds (however with how common they are it may not be a fair comparison)

Personally I think you hit the nail on the head with dogs are not people/babies. They need a clear hierarchy to feel safe, comfortable and controlle. They may test boundaries but knowing who is at the top of the chain is a big help to correcting any unwanted behaviours
 
I remember a few years ago staffs getting a very bad wrap again because of a handful of incidents by less than reputable people. I think also, though can't remember where I heard it that labs and collies were responsible for more bites that most other breeds (however with how common they are it may not be a fair )
I would not dispute the fact that Collie dogs probably do bite more people, there are a lot more of them in the world and by design they have been breed to nip at the heels of livestock- so a running child or pushbike is an attractive item to chase without proper training- Luckily though it is rare to get a Collie dog that will hang on to a person and ragging them until they stop moving. These XL bullies are by design built to hold on to another animal until it can be dispatched- just look at some of the pig hunting videos and the catch dogs they use. Lots of these dogs in the U.K. being kept in flats are just a time bomb waiting to explode.
 
I would not dispute the fact that Collie dogs probably do bite more people, there are a lot more of them in the world and by design they have been breed to nip at the heels of livestock- so a running child or pushbike is an attractive item to chase without proper training- Luckily though it is rare to get a Collie dog that will hang on to a person and ragging them until they stop moving. These XL bullies are by design built to hold on to another animal until it can be dispatched- just look at some of the pig hunting videos and the catch dogs they use. Lots of these dogs in the U.K. being kept in flats are just a time bomb waiting to explode.
Yeah I agree as I said it's a bit of an unfair comparison given the volume of those compared the XL bully. But there are also plenty of the xl bully that have never bitten anyone yet lumped in by breed association
 
I would definitely put more owness on the owners than the dogs, it's like pitbulls. Most were a good dog and were fantastic with kids and earned the nickname nanny dogs. However breeding to get more aggression out of them with and with their strength made them unpalatable to the public in the whole.

I remember a few years ago staffs getting a very bad wrap again because of a handful of incidents by less than reputable people. I think also, though can't remember where I heard it that labs and collies were responsible for more bites that most other breeds (however with how common they are it may not be a fair comparison)

Personally I think you hit the nail on the head with dogs are not people/babies. They need a clear hierarchy to feel safe, comfortable and controlle. They may test boundaries but knowing who is at the top of the chain is a big help to correcting any unwanted behaviours
I’m sure it was a lab that was responsible for the attack in the US that led to the first face transplant.
 
Yeah I agree as I said it's a bit of an unfair comparison given the volume of those compared the XL bully. But there are also plenty of the xl bully that have never bitten anyone yet lumped in by breed association
Trouble is, there is no off switch on these breeds, once the red mist comes in they take some handling- I have had some experience in seizing pit bull types over the years- the power is frightening and they can take some subduing on the end of a pole when they are coming straight at you.
 
I’m sure it was a lab that was responsible for the attack in the US that led to the first face transplant.
It possibly was, but I would argue with labradors being the most popular dog breed and the relatively uncommon occurrence of attacks by them speaks volumes to the temperament of the breed.
 
Trouble is, there is no off switch on these breeds, once the red mist comes in they take some handling- I have had some experience in seizing pit bull types over the years- the power is frightening and they can take some subduing on the end of a pole when they are coming straight at you.
As a general rule - I try to never have a dog that I could not overpower myself - I think that’s a good rule of thumb for people to go by….

It just seems insane to me to have an animal walking among your family that could possible overpower you if things went wrong.
 
It possibly was, but I would argue with labradors being the most popular dog breed and the relatively uncommon occurrence of attacks by them speaks volumes to the temperament of the breed.
I’m sure there was more to it and what you say makes sense. It was France as well I just checked.
 
A dog trainer we know had a young lad with an xl bully type for some training,he told him they'd need to work on its aggression and the young lad said no I want to breed from him and he's worth more like that.
He was told to go away and never come back or something like that.
 
Trouble is, there is no off switch on these breeds, once the red mist comes in they take some handling- I have had some experience in seizing pit bull types over the years- the power is frightening and they can take some subduing on the end of a pole when they are coming straight at you.
Yeah it would be better than a licewould be required should someone want to keep it
 
As a general rule - I try to never have a dog that I could not overpower myself - I think that’s a good rule of thumb for people to go by….

It just seems insane to me to have an animal walking among your family that could possible overpower you if things went wrong.
I had an incident years ago- pit bull type in a house - one adult male out of his head on drugs collapsed on a bed upstairs- adult female in same situation on sofa in living room- 3 year old girl running around a housing estate naked - pit bull type guarding the house, and attacking public as they passed the house - it was my job to catch the dog. As I was not backing down to the dog it did move back until we got into the kitchen area- dog had nowhere to go from there so had to fight, luckily the dog jumped straight into the grasper pole I had- dog hit me so hard they we took the kitchen door off it’s hinges , had to choke the dog down a bit till it calmed down- not easy with a little kid throwing toys at you as you are taking her dog- ( the dog was just doing what he thought was right - protecting his pack the best he could) unfortunately unsuitable owners were the failure of the dog.
 
A it does actually remove the issue of the breed in question…eventually they will run out of breeds to make aggressive dogs or the genes that contribute towards them.
No, you’ll never run out of aggressive dogs because you can select and breed for aggression with any breed or line.
 
A it does actually remove the issue of the breed in question…eventually they will run out of breeds to make aggressive dogs or the genes that contribute towards them.

They'll make a new breed. The XL Bully is (according to the AKC) a cross between an American Pitbull and an American Staffordshire terrier and then the biggest of those are crossed to make the XL. It's not an old established breed and the majority of the ones in the UK are certainly not descended from proper breed standards registered with the AKC.

The reason they're so "dangerous" in the UK is that unscrupulous breeders and idiots who have no clue about dogs are just breeding anything that looks similar together to get something that looks about right. A bit of Staffy, bit of Boxer, any of the mastiff breeds and you've got something that looks like an XL Bully without any consideration for temperament and even less consideration on who the buyer is.

Banning a breed rather than enforcing existing laws against bad owners or even a new law focusing on dog ownership is why deadly and serious attacks from any dog in the UK have continued to rise since the introduction of the dangerous dogs act rather than fallen. Even the top vets in the country involved in this latest consultation with the government have said breed specific bans aren't effective.
 
Collies herd sheep & cattle.
Labradors retrieve.
Spaniels hunt & flush game.
Pitbulls were bred to kill one another in a pit... surely as XL Bullies have loads of Pitbull in their make-up they can't be considered suitable as a dog to own as a pet, at least by anyone sane.
 
No, you’ll never run out of aggressive dogs because you can select and breed for aggression with any breed or line.
Very true, this terrier I used to have was a complete fruit loop with small animal- it’s brother drowned in a stone drain as refused to let go a a fox in a rain storm.
 

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As a general rule - I try to never have a dog that I could not overpower myself - I think that’s a good rule of thumb for people to go by….

It just seems insane to me to have an animal walking among your family that could possible overpower you if things went wrong.
Any dog over the 30Kg will put you on your back in short order once it sets its mind to do it.
Size, not breed is the biggest factor when it comes to causing damage.
 
As much as I like (most) dogs, they're a chav dog, a crack dealers dog, a b*llends dog.

Did you not see the protest march by the XL Bully owners? They fitted into that demographic.

There will be some normal & responsible owners but most will have them as a status.

Ban them at your peril though as the people who want another type of dog for protection might turn to a breed you like or own and you may see that one being banned too.
 
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