Yes you can bring the price of petrol down

[paul k]

Couple of quick points, sorry if they duplicate.

The biggest factor in the price of petrol is the Government, I think that of the £1.05 odd per litre that most now pay the Government gets at least 80p. (It's still available for 99.9p in parts of North Wales but it will cross the £1 soon.)

The guys who own the independent garages get only a couple of pence per litre and in many cases they are buying it more than the big chains and supermarkets are selling it for.

I had a Rangie running on LPG and it was great, mine even started on LPG and cost the equivalent of 35 mpg to run with all the V8 performance.

What I have noticed that a lot of the bigger petrol companies are jacking up the price of LPG to be about half the unleaded price despite the fact that the Government has frozen duty on it and that's a bit naughty - or has the duty cap come off now?

For those with branches near you need to look at Countrywide stores as they certainly used to have the cheapest LPG around.

 

[duggers]

thanks steyr for your reply, im fascinated by the fact that you can run an engine on veg oil.
diesel is hitting £1.10 a litre at my local garage so maybe its time to join the veggy revolution!!......just to clear that up for you beowulf...thats veg oil and not vegetarian!!
thanks again
duggers

 

[SWR]

Looks like the revolution has started

Vote with your feet lads or should I say PumPS

 

[poddle]

SO we are using alternative fuels then?

I rest my case

 

[sikamalc]

Not me, look's like a common rail diesel engine cant take veggie oil according to this thread bugger!!!

 

[poddle]

thanks steyr for your reply, im fascinated by the fact that you can run an engine on veg oil.
diesel is hitting £1.10 a litre at my local garage so maybe its time to join the veggy revolution!!......just to clear that up for you beowulf...thats veg oil and not vegetarian!!
thanks again
duggers

I am astonished you have not heard of this before Duggers. It's certainly not a new trend. I have been using veggie oil for over 5 years

And on rare occasions I actually use it for cooking

 

[Dickie]

Sikamalc
yeah I've a TD5 no chip oil for me.

 

[Fester]

Hi Dickie
There is 1 way to make a td5 run veg oil but the cost to actually do it will set you back about £2000 You will have to replace all the unit injectors for "Low Grade Fuel" unit injectors. Land rover fitted 3 types of unit injectors to the td5 engine Low, Med & high setting. The reason for this is that td5 vehicles exported to 3rd world countries had the low range injectors fitted to enable low grade fuel to be used. If you drove your td5 to africa & a unit injector failed then a replacement med range injector would have to be fitted to it to get the thing running again until the vehicle could be plugged into the landrover testbook diagnostics equipment to have the new injector programed to the same spec as the others.
To run your td5 on veg oil all the unit injectors need replacing for low grade then the ECU settings will need to be tricked into thinking its running on diesel via a prologic diagnostic programe installed. It gets very complicated from there because you need to trick all the fuel sensors as well & a tank heater has to be fitted to thin the oil down to resemble the viscosity of diesel to overcome the delivery problems. Dont bother its not worth it, Honest
If you want better performance & better fuel economy from a td5 then fit a chip to it. They work well & plug in in seconds with no programing needed.

 

[Dickie]

Stery 243
thanks for that I have read before that it could be done but was expensive I had my previous TD5 chipped and it was amazing the change a real overtaking machine yet good on mpg if you could refrain from to much right boot.
I'm waiting to find out more about the ford powered Defenders dont know why Defenders get a 2.4 yet a ford ranger gets 3.0.

 

[Beowulf]

Hang on 'Beaver'! Sorry I have just realised that this thread is 'Beaver-less' and therefore is in breach of European law under the 'Beaver convention', article 12, paragraph 4. You will require at least two more beavers for every mention of bio fuel!

Thank you.

'Beaver'!

 

[Fester]

Dickie
Ford powered defender Yuk Ive driven one of these hybrid thingy ford powered heaps & yuk yuk yuk.
Dont like them mate. It sounds like a ford tranny (NO Beowulf thats not one of them internet sites you keep looking at)
The six speed gearbox aint really worth a toss as 1st gear aint worth selecting due to the fact thats its too short & runs out of puff faster than you can sneeze & top end runs out of balls faster than you can spell the word. They have choked the engine up like mad to get through the latest emisions regs I know 2 people who have had them & had nothing but trouble with the bloody things. Both have had a full refund from landrover & gone back to the td5 model... Also fuel consumption is horrendous. They should of stuck with the Td5 in the defender. Im my opinion its the best diesel engine landrover ever fitted, If you can get your head around the electronics (they really are simple) Then it eases your mind about driving them.

 

[ssgpiv]

Hi styer243 hope your well. As a diesel owner I have been reading this thread with great interest. Do you know if there is a certain percentage of veg oil mixed with diesel that can be used perfectly legally. Is the exhaust smell not a complete give away.Not being technical do you know if the navara would be ok or not running on it. Have stupidly put petrol in it before and it worked. not perfectly but well enough to get to a garage and fill up with diesel. Actually it felt like a petrol diesel mix worked well.

 

[poddle]

There is no legal limit, its just how much veggie your car will take in the mixture.
The fuel will wax in cold weather though, so be careful in winter.

Pajero's love the stuff

 

[legaleagle69]

I just had to laugh about the comment on smell giving it away, my mate never told us he uses tesco veggie oil in his tranny, I used to always think someone was having a bbq then I realised it was his van now we tease him mercilessly putting in orders for burgers and hotdogs...lol

Thanks for the info about the water engine guys,I will have a nosey about this as it intrigues me.. another friend told me that the ultimate eco fuel is hydrogen as it burns and produces water?

Would the proper biodiesel work ok in the TD5? as opposed to just pure veggie oil?

 

[Fester]

Hi ssgpiv
Im fine thanks mate. Hows you You were lucky to get away with putting petrol in mate. Unfortunately your truck wont run veg oil being a common rail system. I know that nissan engines wont take it

Legaleagle
Im not sure about the biodiesel in a td5. Let me get back to you on that 1 mate. Im gonna have to do a bit of homework for this 1 :idea:

 

[legaleagle69]

This the winterised bio diesel on ebay

item no. 130188878426

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WINTERIZED-BI...oryZ9895QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I am going to call them and see if I can fill up my truck on my way out to Germany next week

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[Fester]

Hi Legaleagle
Ive been talking to a few people regarding bio diesel in a td5 & i have recieved mixed veiws on it. Give me a little more time to find out a bit more. I know someone with a td5 test bench engine from one of the early press release td5 defenders. He uses it as a guinipig for performance chips, race intercoolers & ECU tricks. He will know & if he dont im sure he will try it on the engine.

 

[john.d.m]

When I started working for my mate who made the bio, I just ran the Range Rover low on diesel then topped her up with Bio, she ran sweet as a nut, and the economy went from 29mpg to 33 mpg within a day!
His 300 series Disco ran grt on it too, and another drivers 200 series.
Some vehicles can be a bit picky, one truck was same as all the rest 430 DAF and she was a cow to start in the mornings,but when up and running was ok

 

[Fester]

Legaleagle
I had a call from my friend today about running the Td5 engine on Biofuel. He didnt find any major problems in the running of the engine apart from a fault that registers on the ECU. It didnt illuminate the ECU warning light on the dash but it needed to be plugged into the diagnostics to clear the fault which in itself is unusual as the defender management system is quite simple & only usually stores faults like ABS System malfunction & engine "Limp home" mode malfunctions.
The engine did perform at a lower BHP tho but that could of been due to a number of reasons & economy was not showing any better than it was running it on diesel.
Personally i wouldnt run mine on it until i was sure what had caused the fault to register on the ECU & how to rectify it. Bear in mind his test engine is from an early Td5. The ECUs on the later models were significantly different in regards to Fuel settings, Sensors etc etc so it could be a completely different story in a later engine
I will keep you informed if he finds out anything else