Zero Check Following a Knock

[old 30-06]

I have not seen the video that "Deermanagement" refers to. However, an accurate shot the night before, and then two clean misses the following day with the same rifle. My thoughts are that the gun rested the rifle on something hard or solid in the high seat, and the rifle jumped when the shot was taken, pushing the bullet high.

 

[VSS]

I take it your both now the last true princesses of wales.

I think, with my surname, I'll simply lay claim to a vast swathe of northern England for my title.

 

[Deermanagement]

A creedmoor owner perhaps

Sounds like me..... don't own a dog but do have a Cr

 

[Mike1979]

Sounds like me..... don't own a dog but do have a Cr

I've got both ..though the dog is only a cross bred terrier so doubt she would do much to the zero.

The advantage with a creed is that people are still laughing when you finish the shooting test ..so you can run down the range and swap if for one of theirs (preferably a .270) ...then take the rip for them cocking up

 

[Sol]

I went out stalking at a brand new property with my mentor as I was slipping the rifle off my shoulder It fell right onto a massive stone below my feet directly onto the scope.

Ziess scope.... expensive niche old (.222) Rugar probably closer to the five figures, rather than four if I were to guess,

**** myself honestly, but It held the zero.... few more dings in it though, annoying thing It dinged right in the checkering (I think thats the term?) too, so there's a few gouges in it.

 

[Deermanagement]

I have not seen the video that "Deermanagement" refers to. However, an accurate shot the night before, and then two clean misses the following day with the same rifle. My thoughts are that the gun rested the rifle on something hard or solid in the high seat, and the rifle jumped when the shot was taken, pushing the bullet high.

That was my exact thoughts when I watched the video. I would have thought the gent involved would have realised the possibility of this happening especially as it looked as it the window edge where the rifle was rested, looked too high for his dhooting position, even to the extent the rear of the stock was placed uncomfortably higher that normal, as evident by how much of the heel could be seen above the shoulder. If the obvious resting place is too high from a seat, box, whatever, sit higher by sitting on lower leg/foot and ensure you get something, at least a hand, under the rifle. I have a number of seats that are too high at the rail for me, not the ones I manufactured with adjustable rails, but others belonging to the estate, so with these I have placed a secondary seat that I can sit on or even place to one side of the seat as a platform for the camera etc. It saves me sitting on my foot to get the extra height. Rails are always more useful if they are on the lower side, rather than the higher side.

 

[GBR66]

Good in theory but many don't have the opportunity to check zero until they are om their stalking ground (and the lease may not permit zeroing) and at +£3 per round when you may only shoot a 13 kg roe deer every few visits this isn't really an attractive option.

I think most people don't practice enough....not enough rounds down the range....dry firing helps, but really, say 30-40 rounds a year vs. cost of kit, fuel, etc...improves skill, confidence and hopefully means that Roe is clean and good.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I check my zero before every trip, especially if I’m using a new batch of factory ammo. My Habicht is steady as a rock, my Z4i likewise but it’s a confidence thing.

I don’t check mine for Months, only an new batch of ammo, a knock and after cleaning

But that 20 years of experience and 100% confidence in schmidt bender scopes

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I think most people don't practice enough....not enough rounds down the range....dry firing helps, but really, say 30-40 rounds a year vs. cost of kit, fuel, etc...improves skill, confidence and hopefully means that Roe is clean and good.

You are correct most don’t!

I don’t my rifle comes out of the cupboard only if I’m going stalking or I’m checking zero I don’t waste ammunition I don’t need to, that is down to experience

 

[Tim.243]

I think most people don't practice enough....not enough rounds down the range....dry firing helps, but really, say 30-40 rounds a year vs. cost of kit, fuel, etc...improves skill, confidence and hopefully means that Roe is clean and good.

Should I have a round of clays before going to the marsh?

@Norfolk Deer Search
I am in the same camp as Lee tbh, off on Monday stalking and it is pi ssing down until then, shot 2 deer on Tue and the rifle was put away safe and sound.

 

[slider]

I think most people don't practice enough....not enough rounds down the range....dry firing helps, but really, say 30-40 rounds a year vs. cost of kit, fuel, etc...improves skill, confidence and hopefully means that Roe is clean and good.

many dont have the land or opportunity to practice more. many leases don't allow zeroing. Add to that £3 plus per round for factory ammo.....

 

[Utectok]

Honestly 2 clicks can be a lot of things wind shooter error extra layers so forth. Decent equipment should take the odd clatter and it will make absolutely no difference. Also most people zero with three shots which will inevitably lead to “wandering zero” as three shots do not show your zero at all.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Honestly 2 clicks can be a lot of things wind shooter error extra layers so forth. Decent equipment should take the odd clatter and it will make absolutely no difference. Also most people zero with three shots which will inevitably lead to “wandering zero” as three shots do not show your zero at all.

I’ve zeroed with 3 shots for as long as I’ve had an FAC, it’s never not served it’s purpose!

 

[Utectok]

I’ve zeroed with 3 shots for as long as I’ve had an FAC, it’s never not served it’s purpose!

It’s ok if you know its limitations? I mean if your rifle shots 100 shots all within a 4cm circle at 100m which is a very good rifle and shooter…. your three shot group could be anywhere in your overall dispersion or always a click or two off in any direction. Clearly if your rifles dispersion is all 100 shots in a 1 cm circle then your fine but that’s extremely unlikely in my experience.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

It’s ok if you know its limitations? I mean if your rifle shots 100 shots all with a 3cm circle at 100m which is a very good rifle and shooter your three shot group could be anywhere in your overall dispersion or always two clicks off in any direction. Clearly if your rifles dispersion is all 100 shots in a 1 cm circle then your fine but that’s extremely unlikely in my experience.

I’m not sad enough to waste 100 bullets on checking, 3 shots to zero 97 dead deer!

Pic below of sticks @100m good enough?

 

[Tim.243]

It’s ok if you know its limitations? I mean if your rifle shots 100 shots all within a 4cm circle at 100m which is a very good rifle and shooter…. your three shot group could be anywhere in your overall dispersion or always a click or two off in any direction. Clearly if your rifles dispersion is all 100 shots in a 1 cm circle then your fine but that’s extremely unlikely in my experience.

You are forgetting the new type kit with 1 shot zero........and who works in CM last time I looked the road signs to the range are in MPH and barmaids tits are in inches

 

[Utectok]

I’m not sad enough to waste 100 bullets on checking, 3 shots to zero 97 dead deer!

Pic below of sticks @100m good enough?

I don’t think this is a relevant method of zeroing for deer stalking I’m really talking about a precise zero for long range shooting. Please don’t take offence do whatever you like I don’t care.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I don’t think this is a relevant method of zeroing for deer stalking I’m really talking about a precise zero for long range shooting. Please don’t take offence do whatever you like I don’t care.

No offence taken in the slightest

 

[Jagare]

.243 Brno sighted in, used for years never sighted in again. .308 Heym- Ruger used for 35 years only checked and resighted if there was a change in my reloading and that was rarely. Mauser M03 .308, 3 scopes on their own mounts, change scope shoot the chosen ammo for scope always shoots to point of aim. Merkel double rifle, sighted in, I have 3 different load for it that all shoot to the same point of aim. The amount of times that I've seen people chasing bullets round a target twiddling knobs then leaving at the end of a shooting session then doing the same the next time with not a clue. One bullet weight for all shooting occasions set up the rifle then leave well alone.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

.243 Brno sighted in, used for years never sighted in again. .308 Heym- Ruger used for 35 years only checked and resighted if there was a change in my reloading and that was rarely. Mauser M03 .308, 3 scopes on their own mounts, change scope shoot the chosen ammo for scope always shoots to point of aim. Merkel double rifle, sighted in, I have 3 different load for it that all shoot to the same point of aim. The amount of times that I've seen people chasing bullets round a target twiddling knobs then leaving at the end of a shooting session then doing the same the next time with not a clue. One bullet weight for all shooting occasions set up the rifle then leave well alone.

Very elegantly put and 100% on the money