Red Deer Ammo Suitability Survey
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Brilliant!More importantly, does it attract roe deer as well...
I think we seem to have slightly more interest in our rifles, most UK/IRL hunters zero their rifles themselves and will notice when they start to go off whereas it is common practice on the continent to have the rifle zeroed by the gun shop. Some then get it checked routinely others don't. Target practice with a hunting rifle is almost frowned upon. We seem to have a bit of a tradition of vermin shooting at longer ranges which in turn increases our skills.
Then again it is shocking to watch the HCAP/DSC shooting tests with almost 50% failure rate.
I had three guests this year 2 German one Belgium, all three well above average shots. It was a pleasure to watch even in difficult conditions.
edi
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Yes edi the poor standard of shooting is sometimes truly shocking. I've acted as RCO on several shooting tests and it often amazes me that shooters turn up expecting to pass having done no prior preparation and practice and occasionally not even knowing if their rifles are properly zeroed, or if they are at what range they are zeroed for.
Only a few weeks ago I was acting as RCO on one set of tests and with only one or two exceptions what I was seeing was quite frankly making me fell that I wanted to give up the will to live. I even had to send one guy home, supposedly an experienced shooter because of a negligent discharge. I had already warned him on two previous occasions.
Then another group turned up who were either professionals or experienced shooters who took a pride in their shooting and who actually put some practice in to maintain or improve their standards. It was a pleasure to see them shoot, a totally different ball game.
As you are probably aware I have organised an annual sporting rifle shoot in aid of H4H for some years now. The standard of shooting displayed by some not all was at first "slightly" disappointing. However over successive years the event has evolved and is now mainly attended by those that take their shooting serious and at least by those who are eager to improve or at least maintain their standards.
Only a few weeks ago I was acting as RCO on one set of tests and with only one or two exceptions what I was seeing was quite frankly making me fell that I wanted to give up the will to live. I even had to send one guy home, supposedly an experienced shooter because of a negligent discharge. I had already warned him on two previous occasions.
Then another group turned up who were either professionals or experienced shooters who took a pride in their shooting and who actually put some practice in to maintain or improve their standards. It was a pleasure to see them shoot, a totally different ball game.
As you are probably aware I have organised an annual sporting rifle shoot in aid of H4H for some years now. The standard of shooting displayed by some not all was at first "slightly" disappointing. However over successive years the event has evolved and is now mainly attended by those that take their shooting serious and at least by those who are eager to improve or at least maintain their standards.
turner.jc1
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Interesting stuff, I'll give them a read. And yes Mungo will have plenty of .243 data, how much specifically will relate to Red deer I don't know. Op, if you look up a thread called 'Bang Flop Research' you'll see what research he's been doing.
I'm going to try and have a go at a timed shooting test this weekend that arrived in the mail yesterday. It's similar to the DSC 1 test, but with time limits. Regards JCS
Siggy
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I don't think you should be publishing data while still collecting data, let alone entering into dialog with your survey population...I hope your supervisor doesn't see this!
.243 Works well enough in the right hands. 50 cal, well you don't get many two legged runners with these so assume not many four legged creatures would go far even with a badly placed shot.
Hereford
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Interetsingly, I was talking to my local RFD the other day - he said that they are getting more and more requests from people asking them to zero their rifles, often stating that they either don't have the ground, time or in some cases both to do it. I don't know whether it's me or not but I'm of the school of many years airgunning when it really proves dividends to practice a little more that shoot!
Rupert J
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Practice makes perfect. I practice a fair amount, but still not enough. As a young lad with an air rifle, I used to hit everything I tried to. Great target practice was shooting wasps on the pears and plumbs on the trees in the garden (against a wall, I hasten to add!).
id never want to rely on a rifle somebody else had zeroed.
Hereford
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Yes! I used to drive the old man up the wall shooting his apples! A 30 yard offhand wasp separates the wheat from the chaff, that's for sure!
And since the mention of air rifles has came up I have to agree they are the best and cheapest form of practice there is and if you use a springer or in my case a hw90 gas ram that kick needs to be allowed for to get consistent accuracy the artillery hold which I also use with my 308 being essential for success, maybe I am trying to relive my youth but I am having a lot of fun shooting the Weihrauch of late and am looking forward to hunting a few wily hooded crows and magpies they will test my field craft to the limit for sure you just gotta love it..........
Just done your survey. Where I agree with most of the posts on this thread, I'm also of the opinoin that if "its not broken dont fix it". I have in the past had to dispach a stag involved in a RTA with a .222 and found that a 50gr vmax did the job perfectly and after disection did more damage that I would have imagined, flip side I have seen a .270 using RWS 130gr hmantels do no damage at all and "pencil" the stag. Alot comes down to bullet and placment, but I personally wouldn't let a novice shoot reds with a .243, I would prefer to spend the time on the target and have them use my .270, only on the grounds that it affords them more "leeway" on their shot.
Glen Cadwallader
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Hi Gents,
I've shot a few Reds (4000), particularly important for me is that they drop fast and don't run to far as I mainly shoot on clear fells at night, the clear winner is the 130gr .270 Ballistic tip (nosler my choice), followed up with the 130gr .270 soft point Norma/Federal.
Ballistic tips have slightly less killing power on some shots but as long as one is aware you can work around it.
I've shot a few Reds (4000), particularly important for me is that they drop fast and don't run to far as I mainly shoot on clear fells at night, the clear winner is the 130gr .270 Ballistic tip (nosler my choice), followed up with the 130gr .270 soft point Norma/Federal.
Ballistic tips have slightly less killing power on some shots but as long as one is aware you can work around it.
enfieldspares
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You may need to look at the historical calibres that were outlawed by the 'new' laws.
Such as .300 Westley Richards Sherwood also known as .300 BSA Extra Long and the excellent and much used 6.5x54 MS cartridge that was almost the classic Scottish calibre before and after World War One.
Such as .300 Westley Richards Sherwood also known as .300 BSA Extra Long and the excellent and much used 6.5x54 MS cartridge that was almost the classic Scottish calibre before and after World War One.
Simon Culver
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I think Steve Bowers also wrote an article looking at MV to barrel length.
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