Brexit

[AN DU RU FOX]

as others state we where the main contributor to this shambles and now they want some holiday money tell them to swivel,,they brought it on themselves over a good few years of creaming it off everyone,germanys screwed italy screwed greece screwed spain screwed half of europe on its knees and they cant understand why the democratic majority of this lump of soil be it scot welsh english and irish said do one!!!i just hope when its sorted the meps from our side of the channel bog off to there second homes never to return.rant over

 

[old man]

Just wondering who are they going to drag into the Euro court for non payment of their fictional fine?

Thinking they failed to drag in old Teflon Tony?

Lets see?

Oops we won't be in Europe will we, so not answerable?

Could get tough but we had tough times a little while ago and survived?

 

[Bandit Country]

You guys enjoy your moment.

I'm not enjoying this at all. I'm saddened that we've wasted the last 40 years tied in to an expensive (for the UK at least) ideological experiment that was doomed from the outset. Ode to Joy? I'm afraid even in the mid 1970's you didn't need to be a rocket scientist to know we had embarked on the road to Hell.

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

dont take things the wrong way pm,its not aimed at you or anyone cast/shade/ creed/or origins but the majority voted out because enough was enough,in some ways probably the same way that some scots feel towards westminster but they are not alone us brits dont like westminster either,but what can you do except vote the buggers out,

 

[Pedro]

What's happening is that we are leaving the EU. Nearly half of those that voted didn't agree, but whatever your thoughts on it, it's happening and the way forward is to get on with it. Frankly, nobody really knows what it'll be like. I doubt it'll be just like it was before we were in it. But the main difference is that we will be responsible for our own destiny. And if we don't like what our politicians are doing, then they are bit nearer and less faceless to tell them!

 

[User00035]

Certainly it might help with the housing crisis if 48% of the population left.

The housing crisis could be solved easily if 10 million people simply went home.

And we will enjoy the moment, but it won't be a moment, its going to be the rest of our lives. Yours too. Get used to it.

 

[Chasey]

Time to say goodbye and oh by the way sod off no more money from here .Too many people living in doorways and sleeping rough here ,no more "projects" abroad till we have sorted our own house out.
No care homes so hospitals are full =build some say 1 in every town and city ,that might create jobs in building ,care work and they might buy food ,electric gas and services creating more jobs .Hang on 500 care homes = 50000 beds =50000 empty hospital beds ,simplistic to some but to others it may make sense

The homeless problem doesn't actualy exist. The real problem is mental health and infrastructure

Ask a case worker for the NHS like my daughter

The financial problem does exist. Too many people living way past 3 score and 10 which was never envisaged, advanced medicine costing billions but still free which was never envisaged and too many British passport holding scum bags raping the benefits system

I am advertising a job as a trainee site assistant at the moment paying 22K starting salary. Among the responces I have had from people on the Job Seekers allowance, I offered a weeks trial to one upstanding UK citizen who never even responded and another turned down the job because he said he couldnt get from Caterham to Wallington??? that's about 5miles and 1 third of the distance I used to cycle to work.

They don't want a job they just need to comply with the rules so they can still get their benefits.

Four weeks of advertising now and still no takers.

Fortunatly my Polish subcontractors are still providing me cover and excelent work

Housing crisis? Theres millions of properties for sale just no one can afford them. The only way to solve that would be a 75% reduction in the value of properties

We can blame the imigrents we can blame the EU we can blame God for what its worth, but it is a bit like a marrage

Once the kids have left home and theres no one else to blame you have to accept its your own personal disaster.

Leaving the EU will solve nothing and create a whole new raft of problems

No doubt for which we will blame the EU screwing us on the leaving deal and not accept responsabuility for

Any one who charges into an acrimonious divorce not expecting to get screwed over, is an idiot.

Things are going to get one hell of a lot worse before they get any better.

 

[deeangeo]

The homeless problem doesn't actualy exist. The real problem is mental health and infrastructure

Ask a case worker for the NHS like my daughter

The financial problem does exist. Too many people living way past 3 score and 10 which was never envisaged, advanced medicine costing billions but still free which was never envisaged and too many British passport holding scum bags raping the benefits system

I am advertising a job as a trainee site assistant at the moment paying 22K starting salary. Among the responces I have had from people on the Job Seekers allowance, I offered a weeks trial to one upstanding UK citizen who never even responded and another turned down the job because he said he couldnt get from Caterham to Wallington??? that's about 5miles and 1 third of the distance I used to cycle to work.

They don't want a job they just need to comply with the rules so they can still get their benefits.

Four weeks of advertising now and still no takers.

Fortunatly my Polish subcontractors are still providing me cover and excelent work

Housing crisis? Theres millions of properties for sale just no one can afford them. The only way to solve that would be a 75% reduction in the value of properties

We can blame the imigrents we can blame the EU we can blame God for what its worth, but it is a bit like a marrage

Once the kids have left home and theres no one else to blame you have to accept its your own personal disaster.

Leaving the EU will solve nothing and create a whole new raft of problems

No doubt for which we will blame the EU screwing us on the leaving deal and not accept responsabuility for

Any one who charges into an acrimonious divorce not expecting to get screwed over, is an idiot.

Things are going to get one hell of a lot worse before they get any better.

Man alive!
you're wringing your hands & weeping hard. Get used to it, we're out ​and in not too long, properly out.

 

[Pine Marten]

Well said Casey. Beyond that very real and practical perspective, I had considered giving an example of what it means to those affected personally (by the way, who are these 10 million people who should go home? And where is that anyway?). But you know what? I'll be told to grow a pair, or suck it up, or stop moaning, that level of playground argument. Was-wah-wah, cry-baby and so on. Culminating in "good riddance, serve you right". So if that's the way you want to play it, fine, carry on.

 

[Hereford]

The housing crisis could be solved easily if 10 million people simply went home.

And we will enjoy the moment, but it won't be a moment, its going to be the rest of our lives. Yours too. Get used to it.

There are none so blind as those that don't want to see - sad times indeed to think that a lot of people want wave the boat goodbye with some of my closest friends on board - where are you drawing the line on this? Who stays? Who goes? Who replaces the positions and jobs that they vacate? Who will watch as families are potentially torn and possibly parted?

There is a right way and a wrong way to do this

 

[Kalahari]

The trouble with the who gets to stay where problem, is not that many sensible people underestand that people who have made their homes in Britain and contribute to oursociety over a broad spectrum should be allowed to stay but the fact that we are entering into negotiations and that is like a game of poker, don't disclose your hand in avance. We have to remember Nye Bevan's quote about sending our foreign secretary "naked into the negotiating chamber".

As an aside I have heard much criticism of the government from remainers about this they have been pretty well mute about the fact that it is the EU that is actually refusing to discuss it. When the EU were offered a deal on maintaining the status quo they refused to even entertain it.

David.

 

[JTO]

Who stays? Who goes?

I think most of us would be banned if we expressed our true feelings in answer to that question.

 

[Morgy]

My thoughts are that immigration is to blame for a lot of the problems here.

1) No Local Authority housing as all the "Council" houses have been given to immigrants, driving prices of private rentals through the roof and house prices/deposits being unaffordable for first time buyers.

2) The knock on effect of allowing all these people into the country, no places in schools as they are taken up by immigrants

3) The NHS in dire trouble because of the massive influx of people who have never paid a penny in tax in this country suddenly allowed access to it.

4) The Social Security (if thats what its called these days) paying out tax payers money to be sent abroad for families who dont live here and never have, but a family member does live here and is allowed to claim, usually a young person starting a family.

This is the United Kingdom and in my estimation those who have made a home here with their families should have the right to remain where they are, in the same way those from the UK who made their homes in the EU should be allowed to remain where they are if they so wish.

I think the SNP are a dictatorship operating within the boundaries of Scotland, but if Scotland chooses to leave the United Kingdom it will be a sad day for one and all, doubtless we will see what happens when those who live there cast their votes.

This country is simply not as large as Germany or France and does not have the capacity to take a net migration at 300,000 people a year.

We need to build a "Newcastle" every year with the infrastructure just to keep up with the influx of people which is just not happening.

Politicians caused this mess, not the people of the UK, we are not racists but concerned citizens wanting the same opportunities for everyone, mainly our kids.

The colour of a mans skin, the God he prays too, the clothes that identify him, are of no consequence, decent people are decent people, we are all entitled to live in peace and see our children prosper.

 

[User00035]

There is a right way and a wrong way to do this

I'll settle for thorough.

 

[Hereford]

I'll settle for thorough.

Big Smile, Big Smile

 

[LeftHandGuy]

The housing crisis could be solved easily if 10 million people simply went home.

No it would not.

The housing crisis has several causes. Too much centralisation of jobs and money in the UK on London being one of them, the absurd cost of the available housing being another.

The only way for my wife and I to buy a house has been to move to the USA.

I gave up a good job with a salary and pension - because even with a good job with a salary and a pension I could not afford to buy a house in, or even close to, the village where I grew up (and where I wanted to bring my children up).

Leaving the EU may work out well for the UK. I personally doubt it, but I certainly don't discount the possibility. However, I am saddened by the fact that so many of the very real problems people in the UK are facing are being ascribed to the EU, and immigrants from the EU in particular.

Where is the evidence? People from the rest of the EU come to the UK to work. They go where the jobs are, and for most part work hard and diligently. Often taking jobs that are hard, lower paid, or otherwise unpleasant.

I did not vote in the referendum, although I suppose I could have, but I had already taken my choice to come to another country and build my life there (here), and I'll say again, that I want the very best for the UK. Brexit will happen, and I hope that the UK can carve out a niche that makes life there better. My parents, brothers, most of the rest of my family and closest friends are all in the UK - so believe me, I want it to work.

But the EU didn't create the housing crisis, and ironically many of the people building the houses which may help alleviate it are EU migrants. Blame the EU for things it is actually complicit in like the CAP, like the massive over adoption of diesel cars and consequent air pollution issues. Don't kid yourself that the UK leaving will solve the problems of housing, social integration and rising nationalism. You'll only be disappointed when leaving the EU fails to solve those issues.....

 

[Apthorpe]

It is an inescapable fact that there are millions of EU migrants living in housing in the UK. It is equally undeniable that if they weren't living in that housing that the same housing would be available to other people. Now it's not their fault that there's a housing crisis, but it's not tenable to claim that they aren't a major factor in it.
The reality is that UK (pro-EU) authorities consistently lied about EU immigration and produced silly forecasts and denied the numbers of people arriving. This means, of course, that the infrastructure didn't exist for all these people. The oddity is that those who were keenest on free movement were also those who spent the most energy pretending it wouldn't happen and trying to mislead the public about it. The blame for the housing crisis, arguably falls on the pro-EU public administration in the UK

Yes people come from the EU to work and many do so very diligently doing low-paid jobs. But they can't both be doing low-paid jobs and net contributors to the public finances.

Leaving the EU won't magically solve the problem of the terrible quality of British public servants, but it does pitch the accountability right back onto them.

 

[Bandit Country]

Leaving the EU won't magically solve the problem of the terrible quality of British public servants, but it does pitch the accountability right back onto them.

Probably the main reason I voted 'Leave'. Over the last 20+ years I have 'engaged' with Government at local, regional and national level on topics too many and varied to mention. In most cases it's been to challenge them on failures, inequality, mismanagement and financial incompetence. In virtually all cases the mealy mouthed lame excuses have involved buck passing to EU rules and regulations!

 

[LeftHandGuy]

It is an inescapable fact that there are millions of EU migrants living in housing in the UK. It is equally undeniable that if they weren't living in that housing that the same housing would be available to other people. Now it's not their fault that there's a housing crisis, but it's not tenable to claim that they aren't a major factor in it.
The reality is that UK (pro-EU) authorities consistently lied about EU immigration and produced silly forecasts and denied the numbers of people arriving. This means, of course, that the infrastructure didn't exist for all these people. The oddity is that those who were keenest on free movement were also those who spent the most energy pretending it wouldn't happen and trying to mislead the public about it. The blame for the housing crisis, arguably falls on the pro-EU public administration in the UK

Yes people come from the EU to work and many do so very diligently doing low-paid jobs. But they can't both be doing low-paid jobs and net contributors to the public finances.

Leaving the EU won't magically solve the problem of the terrible quality of British public servants, but it does pitch the accountability right back onto them.

You are conflating issues. The housing crisis is fundamentally the fact that there is not enough affordable housing to meet the demand for it. I am sure that it is true that if 10 million people were removed from the UK that the housing that they presently occupy would be available to for other people to live in. If they can afford it. If there are jobs for them to do near it. If the supporting infrastructure existed to make that housing viable.

This isn't a new issue - it was certainly there in the late 90s/early 2000s before the big influx of EU nationals from from the poorer fringes of the EU.

I'll say it again, the housing crisis has much more to do with the distorted structure of the UK economy than the nationality of those lucky enough to be able to afford a home.

If the housing crisis has political causes "right to buy" was what stripped local government of the ability to exercise some measure of control over housing allocation, to blame civil servants, or the EU is more or less the same as saying "a big boy did it and ran away".

The vote for leave may allow the UK to position itself advantageously globally - I really, really hope it does - but using the EU as a scapegoat for every problem will only make those problems worse - especially as the UK has now given up the ability to have an influence on EU policy making.

Also I don't see why being low paid means that you can't make a net contribution to country? But perhaps we have differing views on what constitutes being low paid?

Public servants enact the law. Admittedly some of them are lazy, stupid and corrupt - same as anywhere else. Most want to do a fair job though, feel that their work means something, and go home at the end of the day feeling that their time has been spent trying to do something useful. Isn't that most people most of the time?

 

[JTO]

I think the EU migrants send more money home that they pay in tax. The Polish chaps that came to work with us in 2004/5 reckoned their jobs back home were kept open for them to go back to while they were sending money back home. About 10 years ago I saw a figure of £2.3Bn going back to Poland per year.