Pistol for humane dispatch
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jimbo1984
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Macro cards good to me lol but on a serious note if you don't have Dsc 2 your a danger to us all and a disgrace to the sportPaper work thats what iam missing got a Makro card will that do ? i'v only got awards and glass left spent the cash on housesoh and a few articles in print ? But I do have my Dsc 1
2130martin
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Have i read that right,2inch moving target at 100m???Looking at the post re pistols are next to useless at close rangeI must have been wrong all along ? taking on a moving target at 1-100 mt's while running from point to point shooting on the move must all have been a dream ! taking shots on 2" targets while running towards or sideways must be beyond the comprehension of some reading the views but then i was trained as a tool of trade It took some years to perfect ,its not just another gun in a box ,while I do agree if you have not the skill to point and shoot then a S/G is the better choice as it needs less skill but the result is the same and its as simple as that and it comes down to skill hand and eye if you can then you can if you can't don't . So try to keep in mind we lost our pistols and some of us our trade, I don't and would never bash a long gun or a bird gun they all need skills . So just to state its the owners that cant not the guns .
EMcC
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Just got back from a Police Call out to a broken vehicle, a very distressed female driver and a Young Roe Buck Roe laid in the road lifting it's head now and again to see what was going on !
My Dpt moderated, 18" .222 with a 50gn soft point soon despatched the Deer with no problems at all.
There is a stretch of road that passes between two bits of MOD land, at the moment a corn field with thick hedges on one side and rough plantation on the other.
The Deer are in the habit of following the hedge and crossing into the rough woodland the other side of the road quite regularly.
As is well known MOD land is managed by dedicated Deer managers but none could attend this evening for various reasons so I was called out.
I must admit the Controller did ask if I was still doing it as he must have known how long I had been doing it and had a good idea of how old I am but not too old and shaky to administer the coup de grace using my .222
So there you have it, the trusty/rubbish Remington with the Bergara/useless, barrel .222 strikes again.
My Dpt moderated, 18" .222 with a 50gn soft point soon despatched the Deer with no problems at all.
There is a stretch of road that passes between two bits of MOD land, at the moment a corn field with thick hedges on one side and rough plantation on the other.
The Deer are in the habit of following the hedge and crossing into the rough woodland the other side of the road quite regularly.
As is well known MOD land is managed by dedicated Deer managers but none could attend this evening for various reasons so I was called out.
I must admit the Controller did ask if I was still doing it as he must have known how long I had been doing it and had a good idea of how old I am but not too old and shaky to administer the coup de grace using my .222
So there you have it, the trusty/rubbish Remington with the Bergara/useless, barrel .222 strikes again.
Chasey
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Couldent agree more but then personally at 10m with a 38 I would have no problem with a head shot. I do however feel it's worth noting a chest shot would also dispatch the animal in the same way chest shots with a rifle do. Not quick enough for my personal taste but defo effective within a few mins.
Monkey Spanker
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Really? Whilst I don't doubt you could hit a fixed paper target in broad daylight at 10m, please consider the circumstances? A roe deer laying on a tarmac road in the dark. It's head could move at any time.
The point you need to hit is only about 2" across or you could just cause further suffering. If you miss, the angle is perfect for an extreme ricochet which you WILL get with a pistol bullet as opposed to a frangible rifle bullet, which is still not ideal. Even if you did hit the mark dead on, your lump of lead WILL still ricochet! Even a chest shot would give the same result. This is exactly why overconfident and under experienced people such as yourself should NOT be let loose on our roads with pistols! It's very easy to get wrapped up in a very blinkered response when attending an RTA which just focuses on the death of the deer. Of course, that is the main aim of you being there, but safety and common sense is of a higher priority. Unfortunately, common sense is not actually that common it would appear!
MS
Monkey Spanker
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Yep, whilst running sideways too!
Even Clint Eastwood used to stand still when shooting!
If he could hit a 2" moving target at 100m whilst running sideways once, let alone EVERY time which is what HD requires, I would buy that man a pint every day for the rest of his life! I'd even give him a full 2 shot HD pistol to achieve it! Comedy!
MS
sikamalc
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Ok this thread is going beyond the point now.
I would add that I know Paul'o and he has stalked with me a few times, plus I know for a fact he has helped a lot of people out on this site without asking for anything in return.
Again people should be careful about judging people on any forum/web, its easy for those to sit behind a screen and belittle another without knowing who they are or their back ground. Its an easy trap to fall into, and in some instances you will find yourself looking a fool if not careful.
I think this may have happened, but I will leave those who posted to judge for themselves.
I would add that I know Paul'o and he has stalked with me a few times, plus I know for a fact he has helped a lot of people out on this site without asking for anything in return.
Again people should be careful about judging people on any forum/web, its easy for those to sit behind a screen and belittle another without knowing who they are or their back ground. Its an easy trap to fall into, and in some instances you will find yourself looking a fool if not careful.
I think this may have happened, but I will leave those who posted to judge for themselves.
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paul o'
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Thanks Malcom.
2130 m
Sorry yes I may have typed it wrong you need to stop for SPLIT sec to get your shot off but under a second is about right for a split shot ,
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Ms : here you are this was a comp I should have been at but a new knee put pay to the end of my days in ipsc 2011 ipsc , So with side ways Shooting and moving i'll let a film let you understand how it is done ? no skill = no clue ??
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Impressive stuff !!
Not sure about the 'Mr Muscles' statue about 3/4 of way in to video
Not sure about the 'Mr Muscles' statue about 3/4 of way in to video
2130martin
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Thanks Malcom.
2130 m
Sorry yes I may have typed it wrong you need to stop for SPLIT sec to get your shot off but under a second is about right for a split shot ,
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Ms : here you are this was a comp I should have been at but a new knee put pay to the end of my days in ipsc 2011 ipsc , So with side ways Shooting and moving i'll let a film let you understand how it is done ? no skill = no clue ??
May be my perspective but none of those targets looked like 2inches at 100m the same as my local range.
Pretty impressive all the same if he was actually hitting most of them.
Chasey
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No tarmac on my permissions and I have no intention of doing roadside dispatch
I haven't done active pistol shooting since the pistol ban and I admit I might be rusty but just like rifle shooting id make sure I was no my game before putting an animal in the sights and yes I am confident with some refresher practice I could dispatch a deer with a head shot at 10m with a half decent 38 special. I was naturally good at it back then, just like rifle shooting I took to the discipline quickly and I have got most of my skills back on track with the rifle. I was never outstanding but I was good enough so I see no reason why I couldn't achieve those standards again with a pistol
reloader54
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Thanks Malcom.
2130 m
Sorry yes I may have typed it wrong you need to stop for SPLIT sec to get your shot off but under a second is about right for a split shot ,
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Ms : here you are this was a comp I should have been at but a new knee put pay to the end of my days in ipsc 2011 ipsc , So with side ways Shooting and moving i'll let a film let you understand how it is done ? no skill = no clue ??
Wow! hectic shooting, I thought I was pretty good at the 'ol "skittle shoots" back in the pistol days, that makes me think I was pretty average.
"I know what you're thinking ,punk,, did he fire 400 shots? or 399?... do ya feel lucky?"
I'd love to have a go but I'd have no toes left !!
Makes a mockery of the T & P 1 we do with our long barreled pistols at the club
Makes a mockery of the T & P 1 we do with our long barreled pistols at the club
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Monkey Spanker
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Thanks Malcom.
2130 m
Sorry yes I may have typed it wrong you need to stop for SPLIT sec to get your shot off but under a second is about right for a split shot ,
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Ms : here you are this was a comp I should have been at but a new knee put pay to the end of my days in ipsc 2011 ipsc , So with side ways Shooting and moving i'll let a film let you understand how it is done ? no skill = no clue ??
Interesting viewing, but you clearly meant 2 foot targets and not 2 inches??????
A deer's brain is about 2 inches across.
Clearly to be World Class like that requires an awful lot of skill and practice. I used to shoot for the Army clay team and it was very demanding to keep up with the training required, and we had pretty much unlimited free cartridges at one point.
Do you honestly believe our current 2 shot limitation and ammunition restrictions would afford someone the practice to ever get good enough or maintain that sort of standard?
He'd certainly be a handy lad on the scene if a herd of fallow got hit! Then again, with a 2-shot restriction, maybe not?
It looks great fun and a real shame that such sport was taken away.
MS
Monkey Spanker
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Impressive stuff !!
Not sure about the 'Mr Muscles' statue about 3/4 of way in to video
I'm not sure the donkey he shot under would have stood that still with hot empty cases bouncing off its gonads either?!
paul o'
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I know but it was in Greece and they do like to show the culture at World shoot and flag whats best in there country .World shoot was in the UK in the 90's , so we had Open top bus's a bell helicopter and a set up of the London bank to scale ? think around 50 stages to cock up on ,all based on England even Met motor bikes were used and on loan as a useable prop to start on , one cock up or bad practice you were done off the range on your way home so the Skill level needed to be top grade or you may as well burn your dosh at the gate lol., Each prop is made or in WS10 the bus was a real Southend on sea and was an open top bus sight seeing bus ,the chopper was real you started sitting in it a . The cost a go to this type of even runs into £££££££ 200 600 per shooter so only the top guys get to shoot at that level if can't hold on and you waggle at a yard then its not for you pmsl So DVC to the ones that Know what i'am on about, And sorry to the rest that will never understand or be able to gain the skills with a pistol blame your government for the loss ? we of an age enjoyed it 
I'm not sure the donkey he shot under would have stood that still with hot empty cases bouncing off its gonads either?!
.... and there I was thinking the donkey gonads were the target
paul o'
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Sorry i'd like to find you a film of it , but I thought side ways was more useful and moving with a pistol hitting the moving targets was Remember this started as we were told you not could hit a deer at a yard let alone shoot while moving ,have you ever used or had the chance to use a pistol or do what is in the vid ?
I am done now as there is no use trying to defend pistols to folk without a clue what can be achieved with one . MS is correct . and the film was all made up in the cutting room , pistols are crap and it has been proved ? the fact that you can find them while magnet fishing means they are of no use and need to be discarded from English history .
Remember this started as we were told you not could hit a deer at a yard let alone shoot while moving ,have you ever used or had the chance to use a pistol or do what is in the vid ?I am done now as there is no use trying to defend pistols to folk without a clue what can be achieved with one . MS is correct . and the film was all made up in the cutting room , pistols are crap and it has been proved ? the fact that you can find them while magnet fishing means they are of no use and need to be discarded from English history .
paul o'
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drinks can but sorry its around 2.50" 
100 yrd 2inch target shoot with a pistol - Bing video
100 yrd 2inch target shoot with a pistol - Bing video- Status
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