BASC Scotland working to resolve airline firearms ban

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BASC Scotland working to resolve airline firearms ban


BASC Scotland is liaising with the government and police to resolve a ban by German airline Lufthansa on passengers travelling into Scottish airports with firearms.


Dr Colin Shedden, BASC Scotland director, said the ban was affecting people travelling to Scotland for deer stalking while in possession of valid visitor permits and that he was puzzled by the approach when there was “no legal basis for it”.


"We have been aware of the situation for the past couple of weeks and have been working both with Police Scotland and the Scottish Government to resolve the issue," he said.


"There should be no embargo on visitors coming to Scotland with firearms as long as they have a valid visitor permit. This seems to be an issue for Lufthansa and German airports to address.”


Lufthansa also banned travel with firearms last year but was this was reversed after complaints to the Scottish Government from shooting organisations and groups with an interest in promoting fieldsports tourism in Scotland.


“A small number of passengers flying to Scotland from Germany were prevented from travelling with firearms last autumn despite having appropriate visitor permits issued by Police Scotland,” Dr Shedden added.


"Intervention by Scottish Government officials appeared to nip this in the bud. However, the problem has arisen again this autumn.


“This is despite Lufthansa and other airlines being informed by Scottish Government that there are no restrictions in place for those travelling with valid visitor permits. It appears that some travellers with firearms are still being refused.


"We are aware that the Scottish Government is in discussion with Lufthansa and have been told by the Scottish Government that the issue has nothing to do with UK gun laws or indeed communications from Scottish Government. The issue is with the airline.”


BASC has contacted Lufthansa to seek a resolution but the airline continues to blame authorities in Scotland.


Their statement said: “In the past, due to the well-known strict firearm laws and import regulations in the United Kingdom, there have been repeated problems for Lufthansa’s passengers and staff, in regards to the import of hunting weapons via our commercial flights.


“In order to avoid these difficulties with the authorities, Lufthansa has imposed a weapon embargo for its passengers on flights to the United Kingdom.”


BASC council member Cara Richardson, a sporting agent in Scotland, said: “Rural businesses and communities rely on the estimated £155 million injected each year into Scotland’s economy by country sports tourism.


“Introducing unnecessary barriers to travel is a serious detriment to Scotland’s iconic status as a fieldsports destination of choice for many people around the world.”


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Good that you guys are on top of this, Debbie. Thanks for the update.

Kind regards,

Carl
 
The simple solution is not to use Lufthansa. Assuming there's other carriers that can be used, of course. Hit 'em in the money department. That generally concentrates the mind.
 
The simple solution is not to use Lufthansa. Assuming there's other carriers that can be used, of course. Hit 'em in the money department. That generally concentrates the mind.
Just tell Lufthansa if they dont want the money you will take your business elswhere, hit them in the pocket

Ray
 
The problem is we are probably a minority to them, as in non existent so would be completely ignored and achieve nothing.
there are a lot of German shooters wanting to shoot / stalk in Scotland, if you assume they will ignore you so just keep quiet ,,yes you will be ignored,,,,, but if you get up on your hind legs and make a bit of a fuss, you will be listened to or at least make them admit there is a problem
Cheers
Ray
 
Well if you count stalkers and game bird shooters and wildfowlers amongst this (I assume this silliness applies to shotguns too, it mentions firearms which would I assume cover rifles and guns) then that minority is starting to look a bit more significant. There's an awful lot of visitors take driven days in Scotland and three or five days on the foreshore.
 
I think shooters grossly over value their value to the airlines. If we were so valuable, they'd be clamouring for our business, where the opposite is true.

I'm fortunate to travel with my firearms several times a year, and I rarely see any others doing the same. In percentage terms, I'd guess we're a fraction of 1%, and anyone who has travelled with their firearms, will know the amount of Red tape, and man power required to transport them.

When you balance what we're charged, against the time, and effort required to provide the service, I think we're very lucky. There's always BA, but they generally charge more for firearms, than you'll pay for the flight :roll:
 
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I think shooters grossly over value their value to the airlines. If we were so valuable, they'd be clamouring for our business, where the opposite is true.

I'm fortunate to travel with my firearms several times a year, and I rarely see any others doing the same. In percentage terms, I'd guess we're a fraction of 1%, and anyone who has travelled with their firearms, will know the amount of Red tape, and man power required to transport them.

When you balance what we're charged, against the time, and effort required to provide the service, I think we're very lucky. There's always BA, but they generally charge more for firearms, than you'll pay for the flight :roll:



Yep. We are a nusisance and a cost that most airlines could well do without, unfortunately.
 
Yep. We are a nusisance and a cost that most airlines could well do without, unfortunately.
It's a shame that we don't have a supporter in either the airport management or the Tourism board, I'm sure a comment dropped at an opportune time along the lines of 'you are damaging our tourism revenue, therefore we'll have to reconsider your slots at our airports' would bring an immediate change in their tune!!
 
It's a shame that we don't have a supporter in either the airport management or the Tourism board, I'm sure a comment dropped at an opportune time along the lines of 'you are damaging our tourism revenue, therefore we'll have to reconsider your slots at our airports' would bring an immediate change in their tune!!
Has ther been any change in this situation?
Whatkind of hassel/charge is there if one were to drive with their weapons. Would there be a problem at the border crossing?
 
Because of the hassle at airports I have considered driving for a few years.
I did it once on my own in the summer to Croatia and it was a long but enjoyable drive, I'm not so sure it would be so enjoyable in winter tho.
I wouldn't mind doing it again if anybody was to join me.
 
Gosh! Imagine the Scottish Government arguing in support of deerstalking. Who would have thought it?
Maybe wee krankie will sqeam and squeam until she’s thick!
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