And the remain side have had over 2 years of project fear to influence the 'people'.
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And the remain side have had over 2 years of project fear to influence the 'people'.
Jimmy,
It’s the whole as soon a immigration became a focus in the leave campaign hate crime rocketed against genuine hard working people, and genuine asylum seekers.
That is also fact.
Personally, I would just cancel the direct debit and walk out.
Yes I do live in the UK. And our government have The ability to control Immigration Using their own laws and using EU laws , should they wish to do so, only, if you look into it you will find that it is successive UK governments that have chosen not to enforce these laws of the past few decades as they decided that Immigration was good for our economy. EU law states that a person can be deported out of our country and back to their country of origin, should the person not be able to prove that they have the financial ability to support themselves after a 12 week period of time.
The fact that the UK does not do this is one example, of many, that our parliament has sovereignty over the laws it chooses to use.
You will also find that of UK Immigrant population, only about 30% of them are from other EU countries, the rest are from elsewhere in the world.
I can assure you that if you don’t hold valid passport that allows you to enter the uk you will not be allowed to stroll through uk customs, hence there being people who risk drowning in the channel in an attempt to gain entry to our country. Leaving the European Union will not stop illegal immigrants from coming into our country. It will also not stop Immigration.
Kindest regards, Olaf
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african jack
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The remainders have caused this in pass giving the EU the ammunition to beat us if we have a second vote only two things that should be on the paper are Mays deal or no deal we have had the vote to leave
But the result of one is what the PM is at least attempting to deal with so you have to award her some points for having the balls to take on what Cameron was only too pleased to drop like a stone.
I think May does have certain Thatcher-like qualities but is clearly given of a modesty that to the casual observer can be seen as weakness and in consequence obscure her very real strengths. Mindful of the hand she's been passed a more considered approach to dialog with the EU than the so-called "Iron Lady" might adopt is to my mind a sign of the type of Politician its possible to have respect for as she's very clearly studied those cards in great detail and while such may be said to contain a pair of Jokers they have not been assigned the necessary status to permit a Straight Flush!
No doubt Thatcher's approach to 'negotiation' would be to walk away with no deal which would please many SD members
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Chasey
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All of it has happened??
Our pound collapsed, the GDP is going through the floor, investment is at an all time low and business are leaving the UK like rats from a sinking ship and good news for some people, house prices are going backwards for the first time in a decade. Intrest rates have gone up and will continue to do so.
In my business we are described as the first into recession and the first out. Historically having run my business through two major and one minor recession, I can vouch for that.
Right now works drying up and leads for new work are very thin on the ground.
Been there in the 80, 90s and the 00s so I know what's coming next.
It wont affect me as I am on the brink of retiring (March 2019) which I had always said id do at 55, and my pension plan is secure, but I do feel sorry for others.
And you know the joke of it?
We haven't left yet and are still benefiting from all the EU has to offer. This current down turn is simply based on the threat we will leave.
When / if we actualy leave, if its a hard Brexit that Brexit voters voted for, things will get real, real fast
Where I live the local council has just demanded £20,000,000 and special powers just to cope with the traffic chaos of 10,000 stranded lorries on the M2 and M20????
Yes its going to be fun for a while
CarlW
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I agree that there is more to May than many of us see. However, Thatcher would walk away with no deal...and end up with a deal anyway...as the Europeans would come running after her. We have mishandled this negotiation by being too conciliatory from the get-go. We need a wartime leader right now: a Putin, a Thatcher, a Churchill, a Robert-the-Bruce, anyone strong (and, to be frank, aggressive) behind whom this country can rally.
Otherwise we're going to continue to be slapped around like someone's little biatch in an Alabama prison...
Heym SR20
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There are at least two sides to this argument. I am very much of the remain view as frankly being part of a large trading block is best for the UK. I am involved in financing grwoing technology businesses and can absolutely see the benefits of being part of a larger community. I am of anglo-saxon origin, albeit of probably Hugoneot extraction but born to overseas, albeit all grandparents and mother were born in Britain. I have always held a British passport for the last 35 years (ie ever since I have had a passport) but everytime I renew it I have to justify being here. Frankly if I applied today I would n't get a British passport because the controls on British passports are very tight.
There is lots of shouting lets leave Europe with a hard BREXIT. Lets look at stalking as an example.
How it will affect Imports:
So Rifles and Shotguns - take a Tikka, Sako, Blaser, CZ, Beretta - all from the EU. Currently can be traded with no import tarriffs.
After Hard Brexit - 3.2% import duty, plus VAT at 20% -. Other firearms and similar devices which operate by the firing of an explosive charge (for example, sporting shotguns and rifles, muzzle-loading firearms, Very pistols and other devices designed to project only signal flares, pistols and revolvers for firing blank ammunition, captive-bolt humane killers, line-throwing guns) - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK
Ammunition - ie RWS, Norma, Sako etc - 2.7% Import Duty plus VAT at 20% - Bombs, grenades, torpedoes, mines, missiles and similar munitions of war and parts thereof; cartridges and other ammunition and projectiles and parts thereof, including shot and cartridge wads - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK
Optics - ie Sawarovski, Zeiss, Leica, Meopta etc - 4.2% Import Duty plus VAT at 20% - Other instruments - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK
No bear in mind that the importer has to pay the tariffs and any VAT at time of import and before they are released from Customs (or have in place a customs bond or use a trade finance facility - these cost c2% per month for funds outstanding), so you will be adding further costs on here. Have a look at the markup currently on say a Remington in the US, versus the cost here, and start applying that to all the Sako's, Tikkas, Berretta's etc.
In terms of Exports:
The bulk of our venison is exported to the EU - Game meat is at 0% Tarrif - Of game, other than of rabbits or hares - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK - so not making much difference there.
By the way sea fish and shell fish are subject to EU duties of 10 to 18% depending upon species - that's just added 10 to 18% to the cost of all the Scottish produced exports that go the EU. Crustaceans, whether in shell or not, live, fresh, chilled, frozen, dried, salted or in brine; smoked crustaceans, whether in shell or not, whether or not cooked before or during the smoking process; crustaceans, in shell, cooked by steaming or by boiling in water, whether or not chilled, frozen, dried, salted or in brine; flours, meals and pellets of crustaceans, fit for human consumption - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK
I could go on, but most won't listen, but they will be the first to whinge when prices go up. Oh and if you live in Scotland we will all be taxed higher, so have less money to spend.
There is lots of shouting lets leave Europe with a hard BREXIT. Lets look at stalking as an example.
How it will affect Imports:
So Rifles and Shotguns - take a Tikka, Sako, Blaser, CZ, Beretta - all from the EU. Currently can be traded with no import tarriffs.
After Hard Brexit - 3.2% import duty, plus VAT at 20% -. Other firearms and similar devices which operate by the firing of an explosive charge (for example, sporting shotguns and rifles, muzzle-loading firearms, Very pistols and other devices designed to project only signal flares, pistols and revolvers for firing blank ammunition, captive-bolt humane killers, line-throwing guns) - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK
Ammunition - ie RWS, Norma, Sako etc - 2.7% Import Duty plus VAT at 20% - Bombs, grenades, torpedoes, mines, missiles and similar munitions of war and parts thereof; cartridges and other ammunition and projectiles and parts thereof, including shot and cartridge wads - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK
Optics - ie Sawarovski, Zeiss, Leica, Meopta etc - 4.2% Import Duty plus VAT at 20% - Other instruments - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK
No bear in mind that the importer has to pay the tariffs and any VAT at time of import and before they are released from Customs (or have in place a customs bond or use a trade finance facility - these cost c2% per month for funds outstanding), so you will be adding further costs on here. Have a look at the markup currently on say a Remington in the US, versus the cost here, and start applying that to all the Sako's, Tikkas, Berretta's etc.
In terms of Exports:
The bulk of our venison is exported to the EU - Game meat is at 0% Tarrif - Of game, other than of rabbits or hares - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK - so not making much difference there.
By the way sea fish and shell fish are subject to EU duties of 10 to 18% depending upon species - that's just added 10 to 18% to the cost of all the Scottish produced exports that go the EU. Crustaceans, whether in shell or not, live, fresh, chilled, frozen, dried, salted or in brine; smoked crustaceans, whether in shell or not, whether or not cooked before or during the smoking process; crustaceans, in shell, cooked by steaming or by boiling in water, whether or not chilled, frozen, dried, salted or in brine; flours, meals and pellets of crustaceans, fit for human consumption - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK
I could go on, but most won't listen, but they will be the first to whinge when prices go up. Oh and if you live in Scotland we will all be taxed higher, so have less money to spend.
CarlW
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I also voted remain, for many of the reasons you describe (and because my wife is Dutch and I'm scared of her). However, we lost! We must leave. That's how it works.
And so now we all need to get behind our country and get tough with these people over the water who are looking to do harm to the UK. And if that includes threatening (and even going through with) a hard Brexit then so be it. We truly are the greatest country in the world and yet we're behaving like a bunch of beggars, grateful for any crumbs thrown to us by some Eurotrash technocrats we didn't even vote for.
Kind regards,
Carl
Roro
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Sounds like a business op for someone. England used to have a massive firearms industry, birmingham gun quarter etc, and ammo makers. Why rely on foreign makers ? You should be buying british anyway and support your own economy. We use to have a "buy irish" scheme here, until the eu got rid of it.
That's a great idea if only someone would be willing to invest the money in it. Wasn't that why the industry went down the pan in the first place, lack of investment.
Leadwasp
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And what would this peoples vote be for? The situation certainly cannot be answered by a single question or a single round of voting. It requires at least a 2 stage process to eliminate the options.
The silly thing about this called for vote is that it means as many different things to as many different people as Brexit apparently does.
Mindful of the average SD Member’s age, can any of those who would happily walk away with “no deal” put hand on heart and say this is a preferred approach based on perceived benefit to our children as distinct from furnishing a certain short-lived satisfaction that assuages a veritable cocktail of generational-induced prejudices best not dwelt upon?
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