They may well do when Marine or her daughter get in, which given time they will. As will happen in Austria and Holland later.
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They may well do when Marine or her daughter get in, which given time they will. As will happen in Austria and Holland later.
No, it’s not „for better or worse“
Why do we, and indeed most other countries in the world, vote on our future political arrangements approximately every 3to5 years ?
Kindest ( and i do mean that) regards, Olaf
jimmy milnes
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But do they get a chance to vote for another political party before the last voted for one is in power ??
Hornet 6
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Yes it is, the result may be better than the last lot, but it may also be worse, that is just the way it is.
But the one I cannot understand is this.
I vote at all general elections, and I vote for the party and leader I feel offers the best chance of carrying out there pre election promises.
After the whichever party gets in the PM quits, that's not great news, but we have all quit jobs for one reason or another.
But why does the party stay in power, and why is it allowed to choose its own leader ?
PM quiting should = another general election, anything else is undemocratic
Neil.
We seem to be having more trouble ourselves since our Northern wall came down and the wee pictish crankie got her forces into Westminster. Pointless rebuilding it though cos you can no longer get real quality Italians to man it any longer.
The government activated article 50 as fast as they possibly could and Brexit has been examined and discussed buy nearly everybody under the sun for the last couple of years.
This argument that there are some fantastic things that will come out of the blue if we just walk away from our current business with the EU, now that it’s clear that there is no good brexit Deal to be had, would be like jumping out of a plane naked in the belief that you can fly.
Kindest regards, Olaf
Because you vote in a party and not a person. But, I completely agree with you, I’ve always found that to be a bit of a joke. Like when we got saddled with Gordon Brown holding us all to ransom.
Kindest regards, Olaf
I totally empathise with that stance, and hypothetically, agree in some ways, if it were not for so many contradictions relating to that approach and the fact that the leave vote is made up of so many opposing and contradictory opinions which were formed by so much misinformation.
Taking facts about the EU and comparing them to so much of the absolutely biased and untrue tabloid coverage just so very totally prevents me being able to justify to myself Or accept many of the anti EU Statements that are made by Some very influential organisations and people who have their own questionable agendas .
That’s one of the reasons why I’m so appalled by what was said and methods used during the 2016 Referendum campaigns.
Kindest regards, Olaf
nun_hunter
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The fact that the EU aren't offering a decent deal and (as some on here are saying) acting like bullies is because they know the UK isn't in a position to barter. If the UK government and the EU honestly believed that the UK would be better off with a no deal Brexit then the EU would be falling over themselves to offer us what we want and the chance to stay. The EU are looking out for themselves (as they rightly should) and our government is trying to please everyone (never a good thing) and as such we have no strength in our negotiations. As much as people say they want a no deal it's never going to happen just like we won't have a second referendum or will tear up article 50.
It's not about leave or remain anymore (that decision has been made) it's about how little we are going to get of both unfortunately.
It's not about leave or remain anymore (that decision has been made) it's about how little we are going to get of both unfortunately.
jimmy milnes
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I believe the EU won't offer us a decent deal because they can see how divided we are, the EU are desperate for Great Britain to remain as we are one of the major financial contributors and realise the black hole it will have to financially fill when we leave, this we all know.
Let me give you a little for instance, when this gravy train was started we were paying pensions for people retiring from the councils that had not long been in place, now we are leaving the EU says we're obliged to pay the pensions of the people who will be leaving after we are no longer a member. So we're holding both ends of the stick so to speak.
This thread is very similar to the EU negotiations in that both sides want different endings and it just traverses round an round as no one can agree a a single issue.
No wonder Dave called in pickfords after dropping a stink bomb !!
Hope everyone has a fantastic and safe Christmas.
Kind regards
Jimmy
Jon Smith
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What is being presented to British citizens as “the best deal available” is the exact opposite of the people’s instruction to take back control. For the first time in its history, Parliament is being asked to suspend its own sovereignty: it has no constitutional or moral right to do this. Any legislator that votes for it will not be forgiven.
The ‘deal’ surrenders British national security by subordinating UK defence forces to Military EU control and compromising UK Intelligence capabilities. It puts at risk the fundamental Anglosphere alliances, specifically the vital Five Eyes Alliance and thereby threatens western security.
This surrender is to an undemocratic organisation, the European Commission. The last two years have demonstrated how untrustworthy and hostile towards the UK the EC is, notably its use of the Irish border as a weapon.
The EC offers subordination, not partnership. The only way to leave the EU is by declaration that from 29th March 2019 Great Britain will deal fairly with the EU as it does with the rest of the world. No ransom should be paid.
Mrs May has completely failed to understand that this vote was on an issue of principle: sovereignty.
To leave on WTO terms is now the only viable way to leave the EU and we urge British people to ignore the hysterical demonisation of this course of action by the current Project Fear, just as they ignored its scare-mongering predecessor in 2016. No risks are greater than the Withdrawal Agreement’s terms of surrender. The people voted to take back control of our sovereignty, not for a colonial status.
Mrs May has broken trust with the British people as she has lost the trust of so many of her Ministers.
Sir Richard Dearlove (former Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service)
Sir Rocco Forte (Chairman, Rocco Forte Hotels)
Martin Howe QC (Chairman, Lawyers for Britain)
Lord Lawson (Former Chancellor of the Exchequer)
Sir Paul Marshall (Chairman of Marshall Wace Asset Management and Co-Chairman of Prosperity UK)
Major General Julian Thompson (Chairman, Veterans for Britain)
Lord Trimble (Former First Minister of Northern Ireland and Nobel Peace Prize winner)
The ‘deal’ surrenders British national security by subordinating UK defence forces to Military EU control and compromising UK Intelligence capabilities. It puts at risk the fundamental Anglosphere alliances, specifically the vital Five Eyes Alliance and thereby threatens western security.
This surrender is to an undemocratic organisation, the European Commission. The last two years have demonstrated how untrustworthy and hostile towards the UK the EC is, notably its use of the Irish border as a weapon.
The EC offers subordination, not partnership. The only way to leave the EU is by declaration that from 29th March 2019 Great Britain will deal fairly with the EU as it does with the rest of the world. No ransom should be paid.
Mrs May has completely failed to understand that this vote was on an issue of principle: sovereignty.
To leave on WTO terms is now the only viable way to leave the EU and we urge British people to ignore the hysterical demonisation of this course of action by the current Project Fear, just as they ignored its scare-mongering predecessor in 2016. No risks are greater than the Withdrawal Agreement’s terms of surrender. The people voted to take back control of our sovereignty, not for a colonial status.
Mrs May has broken trust with the British people as she has lost the trust of so many of her Ministers.
Sir Richard Dearlove (former Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service)
Sir Rocco Forte (Chairman, Rocco Forte Hotels)
Martin Howe QC (Chairman, Lawyers for Britain)
Lord Lawson (Former Chancellor of the Exchequer)
Sir Paul Marshall (Chairman of Marshall Wace Asset Management and Co-Chairman of Prosperity UK)
Major General Julian Thompson (Chairman, Veterans for Britain)
Lord Trimble (Former First Minister of Northern Ireland and Nobel Peace Prize winner)
Lord Lawson...JON SMITH? The bloke that supported "Leave" yet is already in the process of applying for a dispensation from the French authorities so that he remain living there IN HIS CHATEAU after Brexit? Another hypocrite in the same mould as "Scotland must be Free" Spanish resident Sir Sean Connery. Lord Lawson? We're having the proverbial taken out of us JS by him signing that letter you quote.
Cumbrian 1
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I don't think where he resides matters we should all be free to live where we want to, Nigel Lawson is not anti Europe but against the undemocratic increasingly federalised Union. If the EU was reformed then I would have been quite happy to stay in but I can notget my head around the fact that the decision and law makers are unelected "experts" in their field and MEPs can only vote yes or no not propose their own amendments or laws.
countrryboy
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Spot on above. As i've said and many others its a complete shambles, EU wanted to shaft us and we've went in with our keeks round our ankles hoping they'll be gentle.
I know many hate wee krankie but she's actually the type of person u want to be making as deal like this (obviously if her views/politics were different)
She doesn'tcare wot others think (oppposition parties or majority of scottish voters) and just ploughs on regardless with that 1 goal in mind.
We seem to be having more trouble ourselves since our Northern wall came down and the wee pictish crankie got her forces into Westminster. Pointless rebuilding it though cos you can no longer get real quality Italians to man it any longer.
Sorry to pick u up on this but everyone makes a big deal about all these SNP MP's at westminster.
Why in the past has no one moaned about the 40 odd scots labour MP's that usually gor voted in no matter wot, they'd have far more power. How many times has that influenced/swung an election
Over the decades how many decisions have been passed throu or oppossed by the 40 scottish labour MP's
The 40 snp mps are just an annoyance and have absolutley no real power apart from making a lot of noise and annoying folk (much like they do north of the wall but unfortunately have power up here).
The way i looked at it, if u could turn the clock back and u were voting now to go into the EU how would u vote??
U'd have to be a complete idiot NOT to vote into the original Common market, a simple trading agreement even for many leavers it just makes sense.
But i would also say i bet even a lot of remainers would not vote to go into the current EU the way it stands and is ran.
Sums it up!!!!!
jimmy milnes
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How comical can ya get !!!!
Just read on my Google news feed that ''do one'' Dave is giving advice to our beloved TM on the Brexit ''deal'' !!?? The clowns circus just gets better....
Just read on my Google news feed that ''do one'' Dave is giving advice to our beloved TM on the Brexit ''deal'' !!?? The clowns circus just gets better....
Woodsmoke
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That jug-eared criminal Blair was doing a similar thing . . . .
jimmy milnes
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Well that guy was always a Tory in a red tie... Tory Blair not Tony Blair.
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Jimmy
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