Dream on!
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Chasey
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I see, so your after Anarchy?
A return to the pure Darwinist state of "survival of the fittest death to the week? "
Get rid of employment law, feminism, equal rights, health and safety, environmental responsibility, human rights?
Al in all a far more Victorian England? No?
Tell me what EU rules exactly do you find so offensive?
Chasey
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How is another referendum a failing of democracy?
Remember the one in 2016 was the second referendum. We voted in already
Ahhhhh you say but this new EU is not what we voted for, so we wanted another vote
Fine I say
This Brexit is not what a lot of people voted for or understood, but the wool has properly been lifted from our eyes now, so lets have another DEMOCRATIC vote shall we?
"EU deal gives UK special status, says David Cameron"
But Olaf said he lied to us before the referendum.
If houses come down, I'll by some more, like you did.
Did you worry about the financial circumstances of people you bought property from when you made money during two recessions? Why should I?
Just had a quick check on this tread, that started on the 10th of December 2018. By my reckoning we will be up to about 159 pages by the 31st of March 2019. Unless the World ends before this date, will this be a record.
I'm only 1/16th German.
Probably, given Red-Dot can no longer contribute!Just had a quick check on this tread, that started on the 10th of December 2018. By my reckoning we will be up to about 159 pages by the 31st of March 2019. Unless the World ends before this date, will this be a record?
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Bavarianbrit
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We were brought up right with proper rules when I was a kid in Coventry in the 50"s.
Now the no rules way rules so redbull cans litter the streets along with old fridges and beds. 14 year old kids riding around on mopeds eh!!
The Germans just never threw their values down the toilet like the reformist Labour/liberals did, to get this all inclusive society?????
All the best.
BB
Now the no rules way rules so redbull cans litter the streets along with old fridges and beds. 14 year old kids riding around on mopeds eh!!
The Germans just never threw their values down the toilet like the reformist Labour/liberals did, to get this all inclusive society?????
All the best.
BB
AN DU RU FOX
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I dont think it will end because the remainers wont believe their eyes!!
Absolutely.
Kindest regards, Olaf
deeangeo
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May’s deal, yet to be voted on in Westminster, is No Deal & the snatch by politicians to disallow the UK to walk away from the EU without a deal, flies in the face of the national referendum on leaving the EU.
As I understand it, the peoples decision to leave the EU without a deal has been effectively removed by politicians.
That’s our peoples democracy for you.
As I understand it, the peoples decision to leave the EU without a deal has been effectively removed by politicians.
That’s our peoples democracy for you.
Chasey
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My business model is based on return of investment, so I have nothing to lose post Brexit. I purchased another property just before Christmas in arguably "top of the market" conditions but Ill clear 10% on it and thats all that matters.
If theres a property melt down, ill be one of the people making money out of it, but id still spare a thought for the poor disposed people. I have a small portfolio of 10 rental properties but Id be happy to put anyone in touch with any of my tenants and have them ask what I am like. I look after the ones who look after me and do their best. I come down like a ton of bricks on the scroungers who just try it on.
Ill take advantage of the conditions that present themselves to me but I WILL NOT do things to manipulate those conditions in my favour at the expense of less fortunate people. I wont even take advantage of existing conditions which exploit people
I have had EX friends who brought up whole streets of houses up north and filled them full to capacity with Asylum seekers living in awful conditions with no means of fighting back. They have literaly made millions of pounds doing this, but it makes me sic to even think about it. My moral high ground has no doubt cost me a few quid over the years but at least I can sleep OK.
I hope the Brexit voters presumed morel high ground allows them to sleep OK when they start to fully appreciate the suffering they will have forced up on working class and poor people
In all likely hood they wont accept the responsibility and will just blame someone else for what is in fact their own doing. A bit like they blame the EU for just about everything now.
And dont be too happy about property prices falling and allowing you to enlarge your portfolio. The govt has lined up Private landlords as a soft target for screwing over for tax to pay for Brexit. We have been hit hard in the last tow years and its going to get worse. And if you reely are in the property game you will be well aware that a property crash is when the banks sphincters go tight and funding becomes impossible and / or expensive
So careful what you wish for
deeangeo
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That’s just rubbish.
Yes it all started out as the Common Market, a purely trade non tarriff arrangement which was fine.
Progressively it has become much more invasive via EEC and now EU, with Brussels interference in UK matters taking priority and their goal of achieving a Federal States of Europe.
I want none of that.
Frankly I’d be happy with simply trade and security (Police/terrorism related) not an EU army and certainly no judicial superiority over British law rulings arrangements.
We’re not part of the EU currency system or Shengen arrangement, so our border controls should be staffed and controlled appropriately. Our politicians for what the shower are worth, need to focus on important matters and effectively fund infrastructure, police, nhs, borders, national security and utilise funds that would not be paid to the EU when we’re out.
EXACTLY!
Roro
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I 100% agree, a common market, it was fine like that, but the billionaires like soros, sutherland and the big banks like goldman sachs etc want a federal europe, so the eu are pushing for that, and to hell with everything else. But if you listen to the likes of guy verhofstadt in the eu parliament, if there is a problem, its because nation states have too much power, and if they had given that power to a federalist eu, then the problems would not have happened in the first place.
Chasey
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Which of course is totally true. Look and Hungary as an example of that
The example both proves that point and proves that the EU does NOT remove Soverign powers from its members.
A federal Europe is inevitable, its the ONLY way to be able to stand up to China & the USA which is why of course China and the USA are trying so hard to stop it happening.
wow betide the UK if they are not part of it when it does
I dont think its an issue relevant to Brexit in any way as its unlikely in my remaining lifetime.
Talk to university level educated millennials about a Federal Europe, and most will say its a great idea. But it will be two decades until those people come into proper power positions to make it happen.
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Roro
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The eu is never going to make it that length of time, its crumbling as it is and i reckon a showdown is approaching. Its a nice idea, but the countries within it are too diverse and do not want to lose their identity.
China is going to win no matter what happens, it has vast amounts of cheap labour, and most western countries have foolishly sent their products out there to be made. China has also bought up American debt, so china has them by the short ones.
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