HMR, WMR or WSM - some real world advice please
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kennyc
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with judicious buying I can reload .223 cheaper than HMR or WMR at the moment, that said I use a 22LR with CCI segmented and it seems to do the job, and I am bringing my WMR out of retirement as I just picked up some Maxi Mags at a good price, so we will see how that works out.
But it's not cheaper if you take into account your time kenny.
Just ditch your .223 and forget anything above .22lr and use a .204. It will do everything you need is fantastically accurate quiet and easy to reload. Unless i am after close range rabbits in a place which is noise sensitive I use .204 all the time. If you are eating/selling rabbits then you will have to head shoot them so a good higher mag scope is a requirement. You could use lighter bullets for rabbits 32 grn will zip along at 4000 fps whilst 39/40's will do 3650 ish. Either bullet will dispatch foxs at ranges further than you can accurately shoot at.
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kennyc
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its a lot cheaper than buying expanding .223 by the boxfull and the same load does rabbits as well as it does foxs and even target use,as to time? thats not charged out as I reload as a hobby not a business.
to put it in context it costs me currently in the region of 24p a round 30grn CCI in WMR are around 32p a pop.
IMHO, 22 hornet is the cheapest round to reload for.
Assuming the case can be used 10 times, at current prices it works out as follows:
Case (PPU) - £24/100 = 2.4 p per pop
Primer (Rem 6 1/2) - £5/100 = 5p per pop
Powder (13gn Lilgun) - £45/lb = 8p per pop
Bullet (H&N 224 RN 45gn) - £68/1000 = 6.8 per pop
Total cost per round = 22.2p per pop
That works out at £11.10 for 50 rounds
17HMR in my neck of the woods is about £16-£17 per 50, 22WMR is around the same
Cheers
Bruce
Assuming the case can be used 10 times, at current prices it works out as follows:
Case (PPU) - £24/100 = 2.4 p per pop
Primer (Rem 6 1/2) - £5/100 = 5p per pop
Powder (13gn Lilgun) - £45/lb = 8p per pop
Bullet (H&N 224 RN 45gn) - £68/1000 = 6.8 per pop
Total cost per round = 22.2p per pop
That works out at £11.10 for 50 rounds
17HMR in my neck of the woods is about £16-£17 per 50, 22WMR is around the same
Cheers
Bruce
People make it more difficult than it is. I used a Lee Classic in 223 for a lot of years and never lacked.~Muir
JackD032
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Muir, do you know if the provided powder measurements card covers Vihtavuori N100 Series powder?
Overlay
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22 or 17 hornet - both are a delight to use and have a decent knockdown and range
WMR fantastic round and accurate out to a 100 yds
Overall I shoot my 22 hornet out to a 100 ish and it’s shoots 1/2 inch groups all day as does the WMR on an 1 inch group
The 17 hornet still working on
WMR fantastic round and accurate out to a 100 yds
Overall I shoot my 22 hornet out to a 100 ish and it’s shoots 1/2 inch groups all day as does the WMR on an 1 inch group
The 17 hornet still working on
You can figure it out yourself.
Lee publish VMDs for their dippers at https://leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/VMD.pdf including the Viht. powders.
Viht. publish loads at Rifle reloading - Vihtavuori
Multiply load by VMD and you get the .cc of the dipper. Choose the one that fits between start and max. load. Or start with the next one down.
Or if you buy the Lee manual it's load data includes volumetric as well as weight info. for the powders.
If you can't find VMD data for your powder, you can calculate it yourself by taking a scoop full and weighing it.
BTW, dipping powder works very well. If you buy a (cheap) set of all the scoops you get a slide-rule thing that does this for you.
Actually, if you buy a Lee die set that comes with one scoop that nobody uses, that scoop-full of most suitable powders will be a good safe start.
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I doubt it. That is the only snag you would hit. This chart, however
Gives dipper capacity for Vhit and others.~Muir
JackD032
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Thanks mate, I’ve got some reading to do before I decide whether to give reloading a go.
The thing is, if you pick a load from the Vhit chart, using the volume of the dipper they supply, you will have a good load. Keep it simple and enjoy yourself. A million US reloaders got into reloading by purchasing the Lee Classic (then called "Lee Loader" ) and following the instructions on the card. Nothing else. No head scratching. They just followed the instructions. In this case, the one added step is to go to the Vhit site and compare the loads listed with the available volume you get from your dipper. (I can only guess but it will most likely be in the neighborhood of 23 grains of whatever. Most 223 loads are) You can scrutinize the process til the cows come home but just doing it is best. If you can follow instructions, you will do fine.~Muir
alberta boy
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My first reloading tool was a " Lee Loader " in , predictably , 303 British . It worked perfectly , 45 years later , it still does .
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alberta boy
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In regards to the OP , I've owned all three . I currently own a WMR . There's nothing wrong with any of them , my problem was ammo availability . The ammo my 17's liked was very hard to come by up here , we are at the end of a very long supply line . The WMR I have now , a Savage 93 FV , is one of those rare gems . It shoots everything well , and a few selected types very well . It's a very capable round within limits . I have taken a few Coyotes with mine , it worked well , but there are better choices . If you do decide to start reloading , and you should , you can tailor your 223 reloads to very specific needs , a very practical solution . If you do decide on a rimfire , out of the three , I've found the WMR to be a bit more " general purpose " . It's a great Fox , Badger ( insert gasps here ) and general vermin rifle and 50 rounds of ammo doesn't weigh much , an important consideration when walking up to 10 K a day out on the short grass , your mileage may vary lol .
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Pffft
I am loading hornet for <30p a round and I can load 50 rounds in about 25 minutes .....
To the Op
I owned Wmr, bought into the hmr hype sold the wmr and bought one. Nice round but ammo issues had it moved on after a year. Now have a semi auto wmr for lamping off the truck and a bolt action for the land where I’m restricted to rim fires at the landowner’s wishes so I can’t use the hornet....
Modern wmr loadings (think 30 he vmax) are reliable and accurate. <inch at 80 out of the semi and at 100 out of the bolt gun. Point and shoot to 110 yards 1” holdover to 130.......
Ignore the naysayers on this calibre
I owned Wmr, bought into the hmr hype sold the wmr and bought one. Nice round but ammo issues had it moved on after a year. Now have a semi auto wmr for lamping off the truck and a bolt action for the land where I’m restricted to rim fires at the landowner’s wishes so I can’t use the hornet....
Modern wmr loadings (think 30 he vmax) are reliable and accurate. <inch at 80 out of the semi and at 100 out of the bolt gun. Point and shoot to 110 yards 1” holdover to 130.......
Ignore the naysayers on this calibre
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