East Coast Lifeboat
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Did you read both parts... At the bottom of the first there is a link to the second.
Lee Enfield Deer Stalking - No4 Mk2 vs No5 Mk1
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alberta boy
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Sorry , the link doesn't work for me . Funny enough , a lot of UK site links won't work here anymore . I'm sure someone on here could explain why .
What was in the second part ?
What was in the second part ?
East Coast Lifeboat
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.303 British for Deer?
In a follow up to his recent article 'A Blast from the Past' Guy Hunter takes a more detailed look at the .303 and considers its use in deer management. (Above:...
alberta boy
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Good article ..303 British for Deer?
In a follow up to his recent article 'A Blast from the Past' Guy Hunter takes a more detailed look at the .303 and considers its use in deer management. (Above:...www.countydeerstalking.co.uk
Bill Wapiti
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I would put a limbsaver slip on pad onto the No4 and use a SnB 6x42....I use 150gr soft points in my No4 and it shoots MOA all day long....I think a fixed 12 power scope will just frustrate you.....loads of 303's still used everyday for hunting all around the world...have fun
East Coast Lifeboat
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Where is home for you Bill? NZ, Canada, Oz??
Bill Wapiti
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Scotland the now but heading home to NZ soon....got a few Lee Enfields I'm looking forward to getting reacquainted with....would love a 303-25 but that's another story
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LeftHandGuy
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Have you considered home loading? (probably not whilst at sea, although I'm sure it's been done!)
You don't have to go down the reloading "rabbit hole" if you've got plenty of milsurp/FMJ ammo you can start by pulling that bullet and replacing with a similar weight softpoint. You don't even need a press, a Kinetic hammer to pull the bullet and a Lee loader in 303 to seat the new bullet would work (as well as giving you the ability to fully reload any boxer primed brass afterwards).
One way or another you should definitely hunt with an Enfield (it's on my list too)
Been using a Winchester P14 in .303 modified by Norman Clarke for many years , originally built it for the wife , short medium heavy modern barrel with Jackson Rifles ASE moderator handles 150gr at 2700 fps without excess recoil whilst a match trigger built by the sadly departed Eric McGibbon sends the rounds accurately on their way. Pointed in the right direction & you will not get any runners . PPU are offering 150gr soft points rounds not tried any as still reloading my original 200 cases albeit refilled a few times !
sikamalc
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I have a MK4 NO2 which was in the grease and had never been fired. It was a gift to me from a very generous American client. I have used it in Africa and the UK on a few occasions and although heavy to carry, it shoots a 150g bullet very well.
I managed to get a light beech sport stock for it many years back from an old shop in Birmingham, now long gone. It has a new Leupold scope on top and like many an old antique car, it gets taken out on sunny days only
I managed to get a light beech sport stock for it many years back from an old shop in Birmingham, now long gone. It has a new Leupold scope on top and like many an old antique car, it gets taken out on sunny days only
East Coast Lifeboat
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Good Morning Sikamalc, Im currently looking at non-drill scope mount and scope for a No4 Mk2 LE. I think im set on the Fultons non drill mount and a S&B Klassic 8x56 German. Do you have any further information or opinions on this?I have a MK4 NO2 which was in the grease and had never been fired. It was a gift to me from a very generous American client. I have used it in Africa and the UK on a few occasions and although heavy to carry, it shoots a 150g bullet very well.
I managed to get a light beech sport stock for it many years back from an old shop in Birmingham, now long gone. It has a new Leupold scope on top and like many an old antique car, it gets taken out on sunny days only
alberta boy
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Small world . I have a Winchester P-14 as well . Not as refined as yours though . Mine has a cut down military stock ( 90% of them out here do ) but is otherwise as issued . It has a great bore and shoots 2 MOA with issue sights , I'm not complaining . I'll eventually put it in a decent stock , Boyds makes a very inexpensive drop in for them that should look a little nicer , but it works well as is . I've always thought that the P-14/M-17 Enfields are unfairly overlooked , they really are a great design . I know of a 303 Epps reamer locally and have been tempted , but the standard 303 Brit works just fine as is . It loves Federal blue box 180's and isn't picky about handloads . It's far easier on brass than my Lee Enfields , a definite plus , I've reloaded the same brass for it multiple times . We're in a small club these days brother lol .
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As you might know Malc, I also have one, for target only. 1954 Irish Contract, Fazarkerley, brand new when I got it. Seems to be 1 MOA capable with the open sights and a re-pro 1907 sling. Researching 'scope mounts, the Canadians and Australians seem to do a few no-gunsmithing ones that look quite good, If I can get hold of one. I'd not be looking to Fultons.
A big 'scope would just be wrong, something like a 1.5-6 x 20, or even a 30mm tube job yes, plus an authentically shaped wooden target cheek piece, turning into something like a No 4 T, might be more appropriate. And very usable.
These sorts of things:
Lee Enfield No 4 Magazine Adapter – Addley Precision
addleyprecision.com
No. 4 & No. 5 DAI MANAGEMENT Enfield Scope Mount - Brownells UK
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Here's another one from Canada, lets you keep a target rear-sight too and clip loading when 'scope removed. Main part made of steel:
www.badacetactical.com
Lee-Enfield Scope Mount Steel Mounting Base Low Profile No Drill Rock Solid
NOTE: Fits both Lee-Enfield No.4 and No.5 and does NOT fit any other Lee-Enfield models such as SMLE and No.1 The No.4 and No.5 (Jungle Carbine) have aperture sights that located at the back of the receiver. The rear sight base looks like two "ears" after the rear sight leaf is removed and the...
www.badacetactical.com
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The price, and you lose the rear sight, and ability to clip-load when the 'scope is detached. I think that there are more innovative designs available. I'm sure it is a very good product if you want to dedicate the rifle to 'scope-only use. Still researching this myself, so can't speak from experience.
Still researching this myself, so can't speak from experience. Currently favouring the DAI or the Badace designs. The DAI seems more in the spirit of a #4 T, take the 'scope off with thumbscrews, but is it as solid as the Badace I wonder ?
You'll find a picture of one here: It screws onto the rear-sight points, and clamps into the receiver. I prefer the idea of something that is mounted on the side, that doesn't affect the original use, when the 'scope is not fitted.
www.enfield-rifles.com
You'll find a picture of one here: It screws onto the rear-sight points, and clamps into the receiver. I prefer the idea of something that is mounted on the side, that doesn't affect the original use, when the 'scope is not fitted.
How can I modernize a 303??
trigger job, lighten, scope the stock is stamped 1943 barrel has matching numbers with bolt and everything...
Harry mac
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There's no arguing the fact that it's a good mount; it is. The only issue I had with it was its weight. The mount itself weighs in at nearly a pound. Add in a scope at the same weight, a full mag at just a bit less than a pound, all added onto a rifle that already weighs 9 1/2lbs, and it's one hell of a lump hanging off your shoulder.
Put it in a sporter stock, with a smaller scope and an alloy mount, and the Lee Enfield starts to be a more attractive stalking package, but don't start cutting, drilling or tapping any original rifles, they are going up in value all the time. I can remember before the pistol ban when you could pick up an as new No4 for quite a bit less than £100, and SMLE's that wouldn't shift for £60. Whereas now, even a rough one will be more than £300. Truly good No4s now command in excess of £600 so they're worth hanging onto in their original "trim".
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