Since I am in Lincs myself and currently due very soon for renewal, will we get a refund for our gp fees if this home office review goes In Our favour. Also as mentioned numerous times before how are they allowed to get away with it unchallenged
GP reports update
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Strange that BASC says it wanted to have a member in Lincolnshire "come forward" to run a test case yet that same BASC couldn't be on the other hand run a test case via taking the Lincolnshire Chief Constable to a Judicial Review that didn't require any member to "come forward"! Am I correct or not that a JR challenging this could have been done without?
That could have also been done. But it makes for a good excuse? Nobody was prepared to jeopardise their FAC or SGC so that was used to vindicate not spending any money for a Judicial Review? I once lobbied Mystic Meg to help me win the lottery without actually buying ticket. She wrote back and reminded me that to be in the game and play you actually also have to pay.
That could have also been done. But it makes for a good excuse? Nobody was prepared to jeopardise their FAC or SGC so that was used to vindicate not spending any money for a Judicial Review? I once lobbied Mystic Meg to help me win the lottery without actually buying ticket. She wrote back and reminded me that to be in the game and play you actually also have to pay.
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Once again it strikes me that the licensing system in the UK is ridiculous. As one or two others have said, why not go down the route of making a new set of laws covering the issue. Not guidelines that forces can choose to interpret how they want. A law that sets out the exact requirements. The law could also stipulate the cost of medical reports and could make it compulsory for your GP to either issue the report or to refer you to another one that will at no extra cost to you.
David BASC, Your organisation had a willing test case member earlier last year, but, due to some behind the scenes chat, both myself and B.A.S.C. dodged the bullet, I think I would have preferred the fight, after reading the new developments that stipulate the GP'S direct involvement / endorsement is mandatory now, in some force areas.
Very pertinent references. Is there any relevant, official, documentation that supersedes these? And if not, what leg are those demanding payment for doctors' reports standing on?
Orion
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AFAIK none, and none.
And also no requirement in law or otherwise for the GP to place the ‘enduring marker’ on an applicant’s medical record, which is the cornerstone of the whole medical evidence scheme - without that commitment from the medical profession the whole thing falls flat on it’s face. In effect we are being shafted (yet again) with no guaranteed gain for anyone.
No, no, no, we're not! Not at all. We've got ten year FACs and SGCs in return. The "authoritative voice for shooting" was negotiating it all. And wasn't that what we were told that we would be getting in return? Oh? Or didn't we get that?
You can also be damn sure that preferential treatment will be extended to individuals of wealth and stature in society, or simply wealth. There are hundreds of exceptionally wealthy individuals with shotgun collections extending in value close to £1m, and many of these people I'm without doubt are probably going to fall short of the GP test of both health, stability and alcohol problems...but you will sure as hell not see the police coming into a £20m Surrey mansion to seize a fortune of arms because the GP admits the owner may have alcohol problems or other on the list...mind you, the average chap who's had a small nervous issue due to debt or marital or job problems and admitted to the GP that's the case, may have his firearms seized in an instant, which if it's part of his occupation will have a substantial impact on his/her life.
Then again, the very wealthy will be using private clinicians who due to their high hourly or annual rates will certainly abide by the FAC/SGC's wishes and NOT declare anything controversial, as otherwise they will lose a client/patient...
So in turn, can we agree, it's the average person who's going to get screwed here,,,once again.
it's expensive to be poor as they say..
Then again, the very wealthy will be using private clinicians who due to their high hourly or annual rates will certainly abide by the FAC/SGC's wishes and NOT declare anything controversial, as otherwise they will lose a client/patient...
So in turn, can we agree, it's the average person who's going to get screwed here,,,once again.
it's expensive to be poor as they say..
Taystalker
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My friend phoned basc when his renewal was due last year. He was told they could do nothing as the government was too embroiled with brexit to do anything else.
I agree. The pitch above by BASC was for members to concentrate on getting more unaffiliated persons to sign up with BASC. The implication is that with even more members they can be even more the voice of shooting. But I do not see that more revenue to BASC will make it more effective. It already has a substantial bank balance and will still not launch a JR into these unlawful impositions. The NGO demonstrated how effective a JR was in getting NE to grant a licence to a gamekeeper for control of raptors. And WJ showed even the threat of a JR caused NE to capitulate. Of course we realise that both instances involved NE. But BASC could have but failed to do so, institute a JR against Lincolnshire. But they bottled it.
Better the unaffiliated crowdfunded an independent JR against any particular force. BASC are decent followers but are too risk averse to have any leadership role.
Benelli m2
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Just read the form on Thames valley web on average it takes your GP approx 30 minutes to complete the form
Wtf yes or no to about 10 questions
Wtf yes or no to about 10 questions
(4)A chief officer of police must have regard to any guidance issued under this section.
What part of the word MUST confuses BASC. This is the basis of launching a JR.
Too many ex-plod employed by BASC to even think of taking action against Plod.
CarlW
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I would happily contribute to a crowd-funding programme to support someone from the SD. Just need someone crazy enough...but sane...
We have the Fourth Horseman in a couple of years - I have 3 years to run but anyone can do a JR it doesnt require personal involvement for a JR to be made. Injustice is injustice wherever and whoever is the subject Amazing that wild whatever can fund one but we, who have most to lose, cannot.
Maybe, as I said in another thread we, need a legal assessment of the chances before we ask for crowd - funding ?
I'm in, who can provide an interim legal opinion ?
You realise of course if we do this and succeed the Orgs are dead, they could never live it down.
- so we should call for a member who's FEO refuses to renew / grant, based on non payment of an additional medical fee. Or did someone already do that - maybe we can take on that case rather than 'lobbingit'. It would have to be the first case in a new area GM or Wales (Gwent) and we should ask for JR within 30 days or sooner so a valid legal opinion on the possibility would be KEY ASAP - anyone?
Maybe, as I said in another thread we, need a legal assessment of the chances before we ask for crowd - funding ?
I'm in, who can provide an interim legal opinion ?
You realise of course if we do this and succeed the Orgs are dead, they could never live it down.
- so we should call for a member who's FEO refuses to renew / grant, based on non payment of an additional medical fee. Or did someone already do that - maybe we can take on that case rather than 'lobbingit'. It would have to be the first case in a new area GM or Wales (Gwent) and we should ask for JR within 30 days or sooner so a valid legal opinion on the possibility would be KEY ASAP - anyone?
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