BASC to remove "Legal Expenses Cover" wef 31 July 2020

[countrryboy]

I used to defend basc, but for last 5 or 10years ur making excuses and giving them the benefit of doubt.
After stabbing shooting the the back over lead and even worse making a complete hash of handling it.
I think I have been giving them far far too much credit for wot there doing behind the scenes.
But too handle such an important U turn decision so badly just proves how incompetent they truely are.

If p ackham himself was CEO he could not do a better job off alienating shooters as basc have done the last few years.
Really feel sorry for the Scottish office and any other decent employees having to be associated with the shower of dectiul boss's/policy makers they have now.

Surely for 1 million quid u could employ a couple of barristers or a QC or enough to carry out a lot of simple cases, or atleast threaten to carry it out.
After u had took a few on different firearms offices would know the threat was real and back down quickier.

It won't affect me now and I'll never be a basc member again just too rotten at top end.
It will never change, if anything it's getting worse

 

[finnbear270]

But it affects all of us, what’s the saying? “Guilt by”

 

[enfieldspares]

I used to defend basc, but for last 5 or 10years ur making excuses and giving them the benefit of doubt.
After stabbing shooting the the back over lead and even worse making a complete hash of handling it.
I think I have been giving them far far too much credit for wot there doing behind the scenes.
But too handle such an important U turn decision so badly just proves how incompetent they truely are.

If p ackham himself was CEO he could not do a better job off alienating shooters as basc have done the last few years.
Really feel sorry for the Scottish office and any other decent employees having to be associated with the shower of dectiul boss's/policy makers they have now.

Surely for 1 million quid u could employ a couple of barristers or a QC or enough to carry out a lot of simple cases, or atleast threaten to carry it out.
After u had took a few on different firearms offices would know the threat was real and back down quickier.

It won't affect me now and I'll never be a basc member again just too rotten at top end.
It will never change, if anything it's getting worse

Pretty much word for word that's me too. For ALL this money spent on entertaining MPs has there not been a single one that has asked any Home Secretary to add a clear and unambiguous "addendum" to the Home Office Guidance concerning the GP input as set down in law? And that anything over and above that must be exceptional and therefore paid for by Chief Constable requesting it out of his/her force's budget and not be a charge on the individual shooter?

 

[Mickeydredd]

What did these MPs do that deserved such donated days? I know people who give up plenty of their free time for juniors coming into the sport who don't get anything other than a pat on the back...

Try googling and you will see the benefit of providing a cheap days shooting for Geoffrey Clifton-Brown...but here's a little hint "Sir Geoffrey is currently Chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation"

 

[enfieldspares]

Try googling and you will see the benefit of providing a cheap days shooting for Geoffrey Clifton-Brown...but here's a little hint "Sir Geoffrey is currently Chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation"

OK. So where then is the positive result as I asked of adding a clear and unambiguous "addendum" to the Home Office Guidance concerning the GP input as set down in law? I can't see that on Google.

That anything over and above the above must be "exceptional" and therefore paid for by Chief Constable requesting it out of his/her force's budget and not be a charge on the individual shooter?

And it's not just a cheap day's shooting it is a number of day's shooting total near £4,000.

Nor does BASC what is the cost, incurred by BASC, of providing "secretarial support" to the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation.

Seems to me that some think it's OK to pay for a pipe band that yet still doesn't seem to ever play the tune its audience truly and really hopes to hear.

 

[finnbear270]

I would like to introduce a robust measure of scotch bonnet chillies to “The Gravy Train”, might induce some movement.

 

[Mickeydredd]

OK. So where then is the positive result as I asked of adding a clear and unambiguous "addendum" to the Home Office Guidance concerning the GP input as set down in law? I can't see that on Google.

And it's not just a cheap day's shooting it is a number of day's shooting total near £4,000.

Nor does BASC what is the cost, incurred by BASC, of providing "secretarial support" to the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation.

With income streams in 8 figures you are concerned about £4k spent on entertaining MPs who will provide support in Parliament? Really? BASC probably spend more on printer ink at the office

To me that is money well spent.

 

[countrryboy]

Must admit I don't entirely grudge the money like Micky says above but Enfield also has a very valid point, wot benefit are u getting for that money.
If there not asking questions in the hose wot good are they.


Fair enough once a season or every few seasons but 4 or 5 times a season, I'm sure he gets plenty invites elsewhere too ( not that that is an issue).
Althou possibly that can be explained if he is head of that group but depends how many other MPs are getting multiple days and esp if it is repeatedly the same party of guns on the same days.
It would be easier to justify if a lot of different guns were present on shoot days

I think basc make the right noses but have no back bone and these contacts there cultivating seem to be completely ineffectual.

Like at the problems wj have caused, and I'm pretty sure there scoureing and scrutinising various laws the now looking for any loop hole or weakness they can attack

 

[B&W FOX]

I've read every post on here to keep up to speed.
My issues with BASC and the reason for terminating my membership early this year was.
I wasn't sure if they were an organization that represented field sports or they we're insurance broker's creaming off the commission from it.
When Wild Justice first launched they produced a 145 page manifesto ( you will find a link to it on one of my historic posts)
I'm not sure any member of staff at the Mill took the time to read it, as they all had their heads where the sun doesn't shine and yet everything published in there is now coming home to roost at the Mill and the member's or what's left are now paying the price.

On a separate note "are the game flavoured crisps still available " asking for a friend!!

 

[Uncle Norm]

Having been a long term advocate for the quality of BASC's shooting insurance, Country Covers Club seems to fit the bill for the needs of most people. £32.95 per annum, shorter terms available too.

Shooting Insurance | Public Liability, & Shooting Insurance Cover | UK

Specialist Shooting Insurance from £19.95. £12m Public Liability Insurance, Personal Accident and Legal cover for recreational shooting including shotgun, rifle and airgun, clay pigeon and target shooting, pest control and game shooting. Gun Insurance and equipment cover also available.

www.ccc3.co.uk

 

[TH4]

I could be wrong but BASC only introduced legal expenses a few years ago? And you are all now leaving it in droves because they are now withdrawing a provision which many members did not have for a long time anyway? Maybe after a few years they decided that the legal expenses cover was just not value for money? I believe SD members were joining SACS a few years ago because their main selling point was they provided LEI whereas BASC did’nt. then SACS quielty dropped LEI, now BASC are doing the same. Did you all leave SACS when they ditched LEI. this post could be complete bollox if my memory serves me wrong, but I just cannot be bothered to trawl back through SD and use google etc. Anyway I,m sticking with BASC.

Think you are wrong there as basc was backing a case concerning a variation I was taking to court via membership insurance in the 80s which was eventually settled out of court.

 

[Lateral]

Having been a long term advocate for the quality of BASC's shooting insurance, Country Covers Club seems to fit the bill for the needs of most people. £32.95 per annum, shorter terms available too.

Shooting Insurance | Public Liability, & Shooting Insurance Cover | UK

Specialist Shooting Insurance from £19.95. £12m Public Liability Insurance, Personal Accident and Legal cover for recreational shooting including shotgun, rifle and airgun, clay pigeon and target shooting, pest control and game shooting. Gun Insurance and equipment cover also available.

www.ccc3.co.uk

That appears to be very good, AND, if we all recommend each other, we get a £5.00 discount too

I'll call, and speak to BASC tomorrow, and see what they say, and if I decide it's time to move on, a CCC member can recommend me, and claim the £5.00, then hopefully, someone can do the same for me

I have a suspicion, that the BASC, have totally underestimated just how angry it's members will be !

 

[finnbear270]

With income streams in 8 figures you are concerned about £4k spent on entertaining MPs who will provide support in Parliament? Really? BASC probably spend more on printer ink at the office

To me that is money well spent.

When there is no concern or oversight?

 

[finnbear270]

Support in Parliament ? Guess I’ll just leave that here then.

 

[User00025]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't giving gifts to MP's etc to get them to do you favours corruption?Is there not a case concerning something similar at present?
If it is that's another nail in the "Voice of shooting's" coffin.

 

[TH4]

People need to make sure that when they cancel their membership or refuse to renew, that they send an email stating why, that way BASC may realise what a mistake it was.

 

[finnbear270]

Numbers will send them a message.

 

[kes]

It would be interesting to see the paper to Council.
Who wrote it?

Were I a member, I would ask, but so much has been done without the input of members already.
I wonder how many members voted to replace lead in 5 years - I would love to see that report too, were I a member ?

 

[Hornet]

It's not so much of a case of how many cases were taken on but more of a case of how many potential cases were resolved with the threat of further action of which I can speak from experience

Removing the option of legal cover is like playing poker and showing the other players your hand

Exactly, there must be a number of licensing managers quietly tittering into their morning coffee at this latest revelation, let's face it, all insurance is a waste of money until you need it, but now from the perspective of a licensing authority that makes life very difficult, BASC is completely useless, they will be politely told to mind their own business now, you really could not make this up

 

[finnbear270]

But they did make it up though, didn’t they.