deerstalker.308
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So, you see, I’m not “making things up...” now am I.
Any others cynical about a vaccine?
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When you falsely attribute a quote to another poster and are pulled on it then the correct action would be to admit your mistake and apologise. That's what I think.
You totally made it up, it's plain for everyone to see or not see.
You're just in denial now lad, that doesn't change the facts.
For once in my lifetime I see a vaccine produced and mostly tested in a timely manner, will it work? I do hope so, the world needs to return to normal and we can all make a living again. Will I take the jab? yes largely due to underlying conditions. In the 1960's in my part of the USA mass vaccinations were done at school like it or no. We solved smallpox and polio like this.
deerstalker.308
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Sorry, did you see the previous post? Did you read the bit where he asked for Zambezi to clarify his “expertise” or has that one passed you by “lad”.... what also may have passed you by was that this post was started as a light hearted thread, my reference to tin foil etc was (hopefully) an indication it was somewhat tongue in cheek...., lighten up, and stop backing up your buddy who appears to be somewhat fixated on Zambezi when he seem no better qualified to contribute to the conversation, I’m quite sure he’s big enough to look after himself without you to protect him....
I see you're still in denial, but that's okay.
It's funny how you seem to think I'm the one that needs to lighten up while you're running rings around yourself getting upset because of what the big bad men said in "your" thread.
deerstalker.308
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Denying what exactly? I give up, this really is most tedious. Ho hum.
I agree, your OP was just for a laugh and my Trump response was in the same vein
Seems like a lot of people didn't get the joke though.
Cheers
Bruce
Freeforester
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In case you don't hear:The two companies signed a co-development agreement back in March. Perhaps you missed it?
Pfizer and BioNTech to Co-Develop Potential COVID-19 Vaccine
Companies will jointly develop BioNTech’s mRNA-based vaccine candidate BNT162 to prevent COVID-19 infection Collaboration aims to accelerate global development of BNT162, leveraging expertise and resources of both companies Builds on 2018 agreement to jointly develop an mRNA-based influenza...investors.pfizer.com
Anyway, BioNTech is much tougher to rhyme.....
"The race for a coronavirus vaccine took an unexpected turn when Russia announced it had produced a jab with even better results than Pfizer's amid growing concern that the US version is "completely unworkable". Less than 48 hours after Pfizer claimed to have succeeded in producing a vaccine with 90 per cent efficacy, Moscow said its Sputnik-V candidate had reached 92 per cent. The flagrant one-upmanship may have raised some eyebrows. But, as Science [Telegraph Science] Editor Sarah Knapton writes, there is mounting concern the desire to be first with a vaccine is leading to rushed announcements that send share prices soaring - but may ultimately fail to deliver. It came as it emerged Pfizer's chief executive sold shares worth $5.6m on the day of the firm's vaccine announcement."
Quite an opportunistic move by Pfizer's chief riser, unless he knows something we don't??
Rasputin
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That sale would have been preplanned as with all listed companies. Wouldn't read too much into that. But yes lots of spin driving these stocks and markets generally higher with little substance behind it. Just furthers my belief we are in a bubble and creating an ungodly mess.
Freeforester
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Oh dear, that being the case, I almost feel sorry for him - almost!
The two founders of BioNTech are now among the top 100 richest Germans.
Ugur Sahin, co-founder and CEO, is currently worth over $4.5bn.
Thomas and Andreas Struengmann, the two brothers who backed BionTech back in 2008, are worth $9.6bn and $10.4bn respectively.
They originally made their money when they sold the drugs company they founded to Novartis for $7.5bn.
The recent announcement of the Covid vaccine has added roughly $1.5bn to their net worth.
dartmoordog
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I am absolutely certain that they would not, in any way, use their immense wealth to influence the political decision makers.
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Freeforester
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A bit about the mechanism of ivermectin and how in in vitro studies it blocks the progress of the virus:
Their wealth is purely a result of them having discovered an effective vaccine that 8 billion people will want to buy - annually. It's hardly a plutocrat's conspiracy.I am absolutely certain that they would not, in any way, use their immense wealth to influence the political decision makers.
dartmoordog
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They personally discovered it did they, well in that case they fully deserve it all.
Everyone's got very excited about it being the first vaccine to cross the line, but if other vaccines - like the British attempt - are ready in time, then the paper wealth of these guys will probably decline quite a lot. They certainly deserve a hefty pay-day anyway. This is self-made wealth, not some rich c*nt throwing their weight about to get unfair advantage.
Freeforester
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Prof. Sunetra Gupta explains the mechanics and importance of herd immunity as a desireable outcome, not least from an ethical (and economical) point of view:
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