Shock collar

[jimmy milnes]

There's one huge problem with e - collars, and that is that any w4nker can buy one an abuse their dog with it.. They should be under licence after having been trained in my opinion.

 

[Dogtra UK]

You find that most wanchors don’t spend the best part of £300 to abuse their dog. Most just use the hand, boot or stick they already have.

 

[Dunwaters]

There's one huge problem with e - collars, and that is that any w4nker can buy one an abuse their dog with it.. They should be under licence after having been trained in my opinion.

That’s true, but its also true of choke collars, leads, hands, feet whistle lanyards, sticks and 4x2’s.
So you need to do a course and get a licence before you get a dog and train it?
Not a bad idea, but a bit restrictive.

 

[jimmy milnes]

That’s true, but its also true of choke collars, leads, hands, feet whistle lanyards, sticks and 4x2’s.
So you need to do a course and get a licence before you get a dog and train it?
Not a bad idea, but a bit restrictive.

Fair points I'll grant you, but you get my point

 

[Dunwaters]

Fair points I'll grant you, but you get my point

I do, and I‘ll even grant that the collar is very easy to abuse because there’s no direct feedback to the user on the amount of
“ correction” being applied.
If you don’t want to use one, fine, that’s your choice and welcome to it, but once its banned you’ve removed a very useful tool from the armoury for everyone forever.
If a collar is being misused or you think its being misused you have the option of reporting it under existing animal welfare legislation.Maybe we could give that a shot before we go supporting a ban?

 

[gixer1]

So just playing devils advocate - the folks that think they are wrong - how do you dicipline your dog or tell it it’s done wrong?

 

[Dunwaters]

So just playing devils advocate - the folks that think they are wrong - how do you dicipline your dog or tell it it’s done wrong?

I get right in its face, repeat the command and make sure it knows that I’m not pleased with what it’s doing. The collar is pretty much a last resort, I use it where the hound knows what’s required but thinks that she can get away with doing as she pleases because she’s out of reach, chasing or ignoring the drop whistle for example.
You can’t punish a dog into doing what you want, its a purely negative reinforcement to stop it doing something you don’t want it doing, but Fido should have been trained not to do whatever it is first.
The problem is that despite being trained otherwise most dogs love to chase hares ( for example) and once they get away with it a couple of times the fun of the chase far outweighs anything you do when it when it eventually decides to come back, so the problem can quickly become chronic. The collar can give the pointer or spaniel identifying as a lurcher a reminder of their true cisidentity at a distance.

 

[gixer1]

I get right in its face, repeat the command and make sure it knows that I’m not pleased with what it’s doing. The collar is pretty much a last resort, I use it where the hound knows what’s required but thinks that she can get away with doing as she pleases because she’s out of reach, chasing or ignoring the drop whistle for example.
You can’t punish a dog into doing what you want, its a purely negative reinforcement to stop it doing something you don’t want it doing, but Fido should have been trained not to do whatever it is first.
The problem is that despite being trained otherwise most dogs love to chase hares ( for example) and once they get away with it a couple of times the fun of the chase far outweighs anything you do when it when it eventually decides to come back, so the problem can quickly become chronic. The collar can give the pointer or spaniel identifying as a lurcher a reminder of their true cisidentity at a distance.

So how do you make sure it knows you aren’t pleased?

 

[Dunwaters]

So how do you make sure it knows you aren’t pleased?

I frown a lot and growl a bit and stand right over her waving my arms so she has to look straight up.
Same things the Mrs does to me when I leave the bog seat in the upright position….again.

 

[gixer1]

I frown a lot and growl a bit and stand right over her waving my arms so she has to look straight up.
Same things the Mrs does to me when I leave the bog seat in the upright position….again.

So no physical contact?

 

[Dunwaters]

So no physical contact?

No, she very rarely hits me, same thing with the dog, intimidation is almost always enough.

 

[gixer1]

I really think our current spaniel would laugh at you if you tried to intimidate her into stopping…

My go to approach is retraining by the scruff and a shake if required.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[foxdropper]

I’d like to see same adopted to straighten out people .If you can’t train a dog without that collar you’ve no business owning one ,pathetic .

 

[T.eddie]

I can't believe the divisive nature of some of the comments in this
Fact is the collar is a tool and is not meant as punishment
Some people use them incorrectly and those people are likely the same that use a lead in an abusive manner, doesn't mean the tool is wrong

Just as some people go out their way to hurt people with firearms, doesn't mean firearms should be banned

 

[nun_hunter]

I get right in its face, repeat the command and make sure it knows that I’m not pleased with what it’s doing. The collar is pretty much a last resort, I use it where the hound knows what’s required but thinks that she can get away with doing as she pleases because she’s out of reach, chasing or ignoring the drop whistle for example.
You can’t punish a dog into doing what you want, its a purely negative reinforcement to stop it doing something you don’t want it doing, but Fido should have been trained not to do whatever it is first.
The problem is that despite being trained otherwise most dogs love to chase hares ( for example) and once they get away with it a couple of times the fun of the chase far outweighs anything you do when it when it eventually decides to come back, so the problem can quickly become chronic. The collar can give the pointer or spaniel identifying as a lurcher a reminder of their true cisidentity at a distance.

The important thing to remember is that the collar allows you to correct the dog while it is far away from you at the exact moment it is doing what it in't supposed to. You can't tell a dog off 5 minutes later when it comes plodding back out of breath all happy with themselves after the chase because it will have no idea what you are now displeased with. In their mind they have now returned to your recall command and done what they were being asked so not sure why they are getting reprimanded, especially for something that happened 5 minutes ago and they have already moved on from.

 

[gixer1]

If someone doesn’t realise that tools can be used in a correct manner you’ve no business owning a dog…as it’s probably the dog running round like a lunatic.

 

[shakey jake]

what about rescue dogs with already ingrained bad habits? pretty easy to train a pup once you know the basics but an adult that has learnt it can take the ****. every tool has its place and time

 

[foxdropper]

You won’t like my proposal for rescue dogs shakey so I’ll not get you in a tiz .
A firm ,fair hand is all that’s needed to train dogs that havnt been spoilt already .

 

[Dunwaters]

I really think our current spaniel would laugh at you if you tried to intimidate her into stopping…

My go to approach is retraining by the scruff and a shake if required.

Regards,
Gixer

You need a collar or a pair of runners mate.
If the dog is consistently ignoring you at a distance get out after the little hussy and show her that distance is no object when it comes to the stop whistle. You can probably catch a springer or a lab, I’m over 60 and can’t catch the pointers anymore, hence the collar.

 

[gixer1]

You need a collar or a pair of runners mate.
If the dog is consistently ignoring you at a distance get out after the little hussy and show her that distance is no object when it comes to the stop whistle. You can probably catch a springer or a lab, I’m over 60 and can’t catch the pointers anymore, hence the collar.

Oh I’m very aware that the shock collars are superb in this instance - that’s why I used one originally….

My point was the people saying they shouldn’t be used most likely don’t understand how to use them.

Regards,
Gixer