Shock collar

[Dunwaters]

Oh I’m very aware that the shock collars are superb in this instance - that’s why I used one originally….

My point was the people saying they shouldn’t be used most likely don’t understand how to use them.

Regards,
Gixer

Most of the people that want them banned are using them, they only want them banned for everyone else.

 

[foxdropper]

Oh I’m very aware that the shock collars are superb in this instance - that’s why I used one originally….

My point was the people saying they shouldn’t be used most likely don’t understand how to use them.

Regards,
Gixer

Or have never needed one Gixer .

 

[Lloyd90]

There's one huge problem with e - collars, and that is that any w4nker can buy one an abuse their dog with it.. They should be under licence after having been trained in my opinion.

I saw a lad the other week, he hadn’t even trained the spaniel to walk on a lead. Had no control of it at all.

The dog was so bad / had so little training, the lad got fed up, and bought a prong collar, a device which can be used to inflict as much if not a lot more suffering than an E-collar.

The lad was online asking for shoots to go and work his dog on.

When I suggested he might want to actually train the dog before taking it anywhere near a shoot he got very defensive and rude.


As said, it is not the object that is abusive, it is the person.

 

[HJC95]

I saw a lad the other week, he hadn’t even trained the spaniel to walk on a lead. Had no control of it at all.

The dog was so bad / had so little training, the lad got fed up, and bought a prong collar, a device which can be used to inflict as much if not a lot more suffering than an E-collar.

The lad was online asking for shoots to go and work his dog on.

When I suggested he might want to actually train the dog before taking it anywhere near a shoot he got very defensive and rude.


As said, it is not the object that is abusive, it is the person.

The Lord, he has spoken!

 

[Lloyd90]

The Lord, he has spoken!

Your dogs almost as bad as that lads

 

[HJC95]

Your dogs almost as bad as that lads

 

[Bowland blades]

Any one use one? If so are they worth putting your dog through? I have an issue with hares mine can’t help but take chase

I have used one on one dog and one dog only for one thing " sheep" once your done dump it as they are a crutch ( and you can certainly spoil a dog with one rapidly). That said dog one day decided sheep should be added to the quarry list ( bit of a dumb decision of his after living on a sheep farm most his life ) it worked when nothing else would even a very expensive residential training with a pro !
When I sold it I questioned everyone's purpose and yes tgat was in the advert , turned down lots before a guy came to me who had tge exact same issue , he also agreed just this one just on this fault . Like my issue tge dog he had was broken to his hens then changed his mind .
Shock collars are way over used but there is no better distance effective correction but tge dog must not connect you with tge correction or wearing the collar with correction .
Make sure it's legal in your area

 

[Waz77]

I have used one on one dog and one dog only for one thing " sheep" once your done dump it as they are a crutch ( and you can certainly spoil a dog with one rapidly). That said dog one day decided sheep should be added to the quarry list ( bit of a dumb decision of his after living on a sheep farm most his life ) it worked when nothing else would even a very expensive residential training with a pro !
When I sold it I questioned everyone's purpose and yes tgat was in the advert , turned down lots before a guy came to me who had tge exact same issue , he also agreed just this one just on this fault . Like my issue tge dog he had was broken to his hens then changed his mind .
Shock collars are way over used but there is no better distance effective correction but tge dog must not connect you with tge correction or wearing the collar with correction .
Make sure it's legal in your area

Your last paragraph there shows you have no idea at all how they should be used

 

[Waz77]

There's better videos on YouTube but here's an example of how the dog should be collar conditioned, it's not used to teach anything, you do that yourself first, the collar is to reinforce what it should already know, likewise it shouldn't be used for punishment if you've conditioned the dog properly.

 

[Waz77]

On my dogtra unit my bitch registers the stimulation at around 18,ive held it in the palm of my hand and I can't feel it at all until it gets to 35,it goes up to 127 I think, anyone who thinks they are cruel doesn't understand how to use them properly, like a stick, if you poke it's arse with it it's not cruel, if you beat it with it, it is cruel. Some people shoot dogs, should we ban guns?

 

[Bowland blades]

Your last paragraph there shows you have no idea at all how they should be used

I would actually say the same back , otherwise you condem the dog to a life spent with an e collar on 24/7 .

 

[Waz77]

I would actually say the same back , otherwise you condem the dog to a life spent with an e collar on 24/7 .

No you don't, do you condemn a dog to a lifetime of having to wear a lead if you use one of them?

 

[Bowland blades]

No you don't, do you condemn a dog to a lifetime of having to wear a lead if you use one of them?

Totally different the dogs know what a lead is and will run towards me when they see me handle it anyhow, its a positive! An item that brings good things , if the dog ever realises and connects tge e collar to the correction tge game is boogerd
Pile of junk anyhow over std reward based training , useful for fixing a stock worrier etc thats about it imo ! Again if you bring them on right it's seldom few tgat need it

 

[Dunwaters]

Totally different the dogs know what a lead is and will run towards me when they see me handle it anyhow, its a positive! An item that brings good things , if the dog ever realises and connects tge e collar to the correction tge game is boogerd
Pile of junk anyhow over std reward based training , useful for fixing a stock worrier etc thats about it imo ! Again if you bring them on right it's seldom few tgat need it

You train a lot of dogs then, and to what standard?
The collar has its place, if you don't want to use one then don't, you have that choice until they're banned.
I’ve trained both with and without, its much quicker and easier with.

 

[Bowland blades]

You train a lot of dogs then, and to what standard?
The collar has its place, if you don't want to use one then don't, you have that choice until they're banned.
I’ve trained both with and without, its much quicker and easier with.

I do not belive in thier use other than things that cannot be fixed without tgem 100% and yes these things exist , the other fix is death or life on a lead .! Definitely not into that at all
We owe a tremendous debt to those who made British gundogs where they are today a dog thatvreally needed a shock collar should hence not enter the gene pool

 

[Dogtra UK]

I’ve seen a top U.K. gun dog trainer bite a dogs muzzle as punishment.

Whoever tries to kid you that prey drive is curtailed in all gun dogs by love and kindness is talking tripe.

If I were to single out one breed that has formed the mainstay of an e-collar business over the years it is any variant of German Pointer.

 

[Bowland blades]

I’ve seen a top U.K. gun dog trainer bite a dogs muzzle as punishment.

Whoever tries to kid you that prey drive is curtailed in all gun dogs by love and kindness is talking tripe.

If I were to single out one breed that has formed the mainstay of an e-collar business over the years it is any variant of German Pointer.

The one dog I used one on ! Solution long term ? Never buy another , the use of such methods actually allows rubbish into the gene pool !
We must avoid use unless its that or euthanized, once used don't breed from tge animal .
This unamed ( top trainer ) thats your accolade. Tge people I know who really deserve that accolade would never do such a crazy, besides the obvious thing being that such an animal that needed that type of correction would likely seize tge upper hand and take a neck or face bite from the fool ! . In fact The best and would be voted so by other top trainers said to me some dogs need to be given one serious physical correction ( note some ) after that once you have lost the game , it didn't work! Thinking on he actually said " we don't keep nasty dogs here " and they don't!

 

[Rake Aboot]

I’d like to see same adopted to straighten out people .If you can’t train a dog without that collar you’ve no business owning one ,pathetic .

Garbage
As usual.

 

[Waz77]

The one dog I used one on ! Solution long term ? Never buy another , the use of such methods actually allows rubbish into the gene pool !
We must avoid use unless its that or euthanized, once used don't breed from tge animal .
This unamed ( top trainer ) thats your accolade. Tge people I know who really deserve that accolade would never do such a crazy, besides the obvious thing being that such an animal that needed that type of correction would likely seize tge upper hand and take a neck or face bite from the fool ! . In fact The best and would be voted so by other top trainers said to me some dogs need to be given one serious physical correction ( note some ) after that once you have lost the game , it didn't work! Thinking on he actually said " we don't keep nasty dogs here " and they don't!

Again, you're completely missing the point of how they should be used, you seem to be under the impression that they are to punish a dog for doing something wrong, this is the reason why a lot of people want to see them banned. The idea of them is to use them like an extension to a lead or long line, but you can use them at distances that would be impractical with a line. It should be used at the lowest setting that the dog will notice and is less of a 'shock' than a tug on the lead. In its simplest form when teaching sit for example, you teach it in the normal way on the lead, but when the dog is ready you add the collar as well, and as you say sit with the little tug on the lead you also give a little stim with the collar, so that it associates the tug on the lead and the nick on the collar to mean the same thing, so when you start working at distance you can give a virtual tug on the lead with the sit command to reinforce in the dogs mind what you're asking it to do. Then follow the same principle for heal, recall, stock breaking etc and if you've done it properly you should never have to shock (punish) the dog. You hear people say get your trainers on and get after the dog if it's ignoring your commands, the collar just replaces the trainers when used correctly, not the boot

 

[Dogtra UK]

The one dog I used one on ! Solution long term ? Never buy another , the use of such methods actually allows rubbish into the gene pool !
We must avoid use unless its that or euthanized, once used don't breed from tge animal .
This unamed ( top trainer ) thats your accolade. Tge people I know who really deserve that accolade would never do such a crazy, besides the obvious thing being that such an animal that needed that type of correction would likely seize tge upper hand and take a neck or face bite from the fool ! . In fact The best and would be voted so by other top trainers said to me some dogs need to be given one serious physical correction ( note some ) after that once you have lost the game , it didn't work! Thinking on he actually said " we don't keep nasty dogs here " and they don't!

Where do I say “The one dog I used one on”?

I have for a number of years had a very close association with Dogtra. Both Dogtra Europe and Dogtra USA.

I speak to dog owners every day who are purchasing e-collars. Several a week!

For a number of years I have run Dogtra U.K.

I know what breeds of dogs get them ordered for the most and I know the circumstances which have brought owners to the decision of spending hundreds of pounds to have the ultimate in off leash control.

I have sold to famous dog trainers, police dog handlers, mountain rescue, special forces, veterinary surgeries and elderly ladies with wayward mastiffs.

Personally I have a background in gun dogs, ran a breeding program for a police force and have supplied dogs to over a dozen police forces in both the UK and abroad. I have also competed in KNPV and protection dog trials the U.K. and Holland with my Belgian Malinois.
From approximately 2000 until closing my kennels in 2012 I visited 90% of the owners of FTCH stud dogs in the U.K. focussing on working cockers and springers.

So I think I have more than a fair grasp of e-collar use in the U.K. and I can assure you that the many stud dog owners who were happy to take thousands of pounds from me were more than candid when chatting about their training practices.

Today I spoke to a chap who was anti e-collar, that is until the police slapped a behaviour order on his dog for killing several sheep. He had sought out the farmer and the farmer had refused any compensation and reported him to the police.
This chap was ashamed at the depths of depravity he had sunk to in order to let his dog have a run off leash and be secure in the knowledge he had control. But like many others, in a couple of weeks time he will be wondering what all the fuss was about and happily walking his dog off leash.
A ban on e-collars will be a very sad day for thousands of dogs in the U.K. who will be resigned to a life in rescue shelters or euthanised because some dogs just really aren’t that fussed about liver treats.