50gr .22LR cartridges
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Squirrelbasher
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They do, it’s called SSS 60 grain. They don’t stabilise in a standard 1 in 16 twist. I’ve had some and they were key holing all over the place at about 30 yards.
OK, found them, 32grn CuRX copper in a 1 in 16, 40grn in 1 in 10, 50grn in 1 in 7. 40 and 50grn have to be singly loaded. Bullets come with primed cases, you have to get dies as well. 32grn $70 for 200, 40grn $93 and 50grn at $97 for 200 cases and bullets, goodness knows what they will cost if and when they land here!. That works out at +-20 to 30p a pop as opposed to Eley Match at +-12p a shot. In addition you'll need a .001g scale. A lot of faff for a copper .22. I cannot find any speed data but reloading data is available on their site.
Apparently they cannot keep up with the demand from the long range and prc .22 shooters. So do we have a LR22LR now?
But at least non-lead is not the death of the 22lr!
Another opportunity for Yew Tree?
Apparently they cannot keep up with the demand from the long range and prc .22 shooters. So do we have a LR22LR now?
But at least non-lead is not the death of the 22lr!
Another opportunity for Yew Tree?
8x57
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Yes we do, apparently there's even events been held at Bisley out to 300 yards.
Colonel Rimfire
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500 too, in the Land of the free they shoot 700+ yards with Voodoo custom built .22lrs
Smallbore Long Range Match
In Finland as a teenager we used to shoot steel gongs with the family BRNO mod2 in .22lr the gongs placed on our island at 600 meters over a lake, it was made easier due to the fact you could walk in the shots when you saw the splash on the water.
That's not 100% true. I have had rifles that key hole right off (Marlins micro groove) but I've also had rifles with 1-16" twist that handle them out to 50 yards accurately. Past that, nope. My BRNO #2 is one that will shoot them accurately to 50 yards.~Muir
long_range_rob
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Hear that ricochet
Squirrelbasher
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Fair enough, I’ve only tried them in two rifles, neither would shoot them accurately at any distance.
badmolassesaccident
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Mm, I’ve done 450m/500x, then I ran out of elevation and reticle. Have ordered a adjustable elevation rail so I can go further. Standard rifle, regular match ammo.
That ammo: it only works in custom rifles, not standard.
I shot the long range .22lr match at Bisley this year, 200 and 300 yards. Although I have, in the past, played at extreme range plinking - out over dusty field and such, where you can walk your shots in, this was the first time for me in a proper competition.
( I regularly shoot long range fullbore there)
Not having the opportunity to have any practice or sighting in I tried to calculate the elevation required - I needed all the elevation available in my scope and a further 17 mins on my graduated reticle . I made a tall target and calculated the POI needed would be about 18 inches high when shot at 25 yards. - worked perfectly, straight on the target first shot.
The 300 yard bull is 5.5" with a "V" bull at 3.3" - quite a challenge with a .22lr in a bit of a breeze. I really can't see anything replacing lead in a .22lr if you want match type accuracy. Yes, whacking a steel plate at long range is fun, it's not the same as when every shot is scored.
What type of rifle and bullet did you use? Is there a limit on those specification for competitions - or is it a case of whoever spends the most money on a custom gun - wins
I used my old Mk5 BSA Martini International, worth about £100, fitted with a £160 Fox scope and Tenex ammo - True, some of the chaps had rather upmarket gear but a good few of the top scores were with old match rifles My shooting partner, a member of the F-Class national team, was using a Dolphin ELR and nice scope. Yes, he beat me, but only by two points. If you have a reasonably accurate rifle and can rig it for the elevation needed you could be competitive - It matters little how much you spend if there a bit of a breeze, it's a great leveller.
I'm now using and old Anschutz Match 54 for benchrest shooting - I will hopefully have another go at the smallbore long range match next year.
This is my tall target, shot at 25 yards, used to calculate the elevation needed.: As you can see, a lot of the available elevation was wasted so I've made a 30moa angled rail which should help next time.
I'm now using and old Anschutz Match 54 for benchrest shooting - I will hopefully have another go at the smallbore long range match next year.
This is my tall target, shot at 25 yards, used to calculate the elevation needed.: As you can see, a lot of the available elevation was wasted so I've made a 30moa angled rail which should help next time.
Oly
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That's awesome! Great work!
So what's the height difference on the target between the 25yd zero and the 300yd? (apologies if its written on, but I couldn't make it out)
Maybe not quite so much in the long range match unless it's still conditions - However, on a windless day, then what ever shoots best in your rifle - also depends on the lot or batch of ammunition you have. Some lots of Eley Match shoot better shoot than some lots of Tenex. Over the last 6-9 months, since I have been using my Anschutz for benchrest (1970's vintage, cost £300) I have been experimenting with different ammunition and different cleaning regimes.
I have found this rifle prefers Lapua Centre-x. After a barrel clean it takes around 6-8 shots to settle down, then holds excellent accuracy for about the next 80 shots then the groups open just a little and it continues to shoot well but not pinpoint. To win in benchrest it's unfortunately not good enough to just get 100/100 you need a high "X" count too.
Something like this is a 250/250 but only about 8-10 "X"
Although a different competition this one might be 100/100 8"X"
From a 25 yard zero (Using Tenex,1085 fps, BC .150) for 200 yards you need to come up 23moa (6.2" at 25yds) for 300 yds you need 44moa (11.5" at 25 yards)
I found my calculations were 3moa out at 300 yards, about 9" low. Either the velocity or BC needed a bit of tweaking - However, anywhere on the target was a bonus, there were one or two who didn't find the target and withdrew after a couple of shots.
These are just 25 yards, shot at my local range.
I only ask as I was messing around with my Pard 008 at 60 yards the other day and shooting at the shoot N’see dots after adjusting and it was pretty consistent…have to say my T1X seems to be a tack driver as the pard is pretty hard to shoot with compared to a scope (in my opinion)
The main issue is adjusting the reticle! Ignore the adjusting groups, it’s more the single shots at the dots. At 25 yards I think it would be pretty good!
Before swapping to the pard it was shooting around 1 1/2” at 100 yards!
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