The 4K is designed like a traditional scope and comes with choice of mounts and other bits and pieces. Don't like the inbuilt battery though.Personally I think we are paying the extra for something that looks like a conventional scope. I doubt either the iray or pulsar will better a wraith pard008 or wulf
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That’s what I’d like to know the answer to and have asked just that on the other thread just.Personally I think we are paying the extra for something that looks like a conventional scope. I doubt either the iray or pulsar will better a wraith pard008 or wulf
I’m happy with my Wulf for what I use it for and it’d be very good to know if the pulsar is that much better given the rrp for the pulsar in comparison to the Wulf.
Both using decent aftermarket ir’s.
A very ugly dayscope though
I'm going to compare the c50 and td50l in the next week or so side by side I don't know anyone local with a wulf
I haven't had a chance to use or look through the Pulsar C50 yet, but I have had a wulf 4k and a PARD 008 alongside each other in both daylight and darkness.Personally I think we are paying the extra for something that looks like a conventional scope. I doubt either the iray or pulsar will better a wraith pard008 or wulf
In daylight the wulf image is sharper at higher magnifications - which is to be expected since it uses a 4k sensor - and I'd expect it to be the same against the C50 in daylight.
At night, alternating between the PARD onboard IR and the external IR supplied with the wulf, there was no difference in image quality or sharpness.
The reason is that, in NV mode the wulf is NOT 4k .
It combines the output from 4 adjacent pixels together to effectively create a single larger pixel - and that single larger pixel is the same size as the individual pixels in the PARD
This process of combining the outputs of small pixels together is known as "binning"
All 4k sensors have this feature and they all use it in low light conditions to produce a usable image.
Without it, 4k sensors would be pretty useless for NV purposes
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Bruce
Not had a wulf Bruce but do have a wraith pard008 and sightline n470s. At dusk the sightline doesn't need the IR like the pard or wraith and sometimes I don't use it until an hour after dark. I'm hoping the c50 or td50l will be the same ? The td50l screen seems bigger too which is advantageous to old eyes like mine 
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It was on base mag x6.5 which if I remember @mealiejimmy said is more like x8 in real terms after testing.
There’s a fair amount of footage of these new conventional type scopes but most of it is on their x3.5 base mag which looks fine,it would be nice to see some with it wound up to nearer the 008’s starting point for a better comparison, like the Ponies in the link above.
Having used 2 of the original 008’s for all my shooting since they landed here I’m still yet to see anything that makes me consider swapping.
The good thing is we have a larger selection to choose from to tick your own boxes.
In low light/IR conditions, the N470 has 3 big advantages over the PARD. Wraith and similar colour Full HD/4k scopesNot had a wulf Bruce but do have a wraith pard008 and sightline n470s. At dusk the sightline doesn't need the IR like the pard or wraith and sometimes I don't use it until an hour after dark. I'm hoping the c50 or td50l will be the same ? The td50l screen seems bigger too which is advantageous to old eyes like mine
1. The sensor pixels in the Yukon have a surface area almost double those in the PARD/Wraith and almost 7 times larger than in the 4k scopes. The larger the surface area of the pixel, the more light it can collect. The smaller the surface area, the less light it can collect
2. The sensor in the Yukon is black and white - in all the colour scopes there is a filter in front of the sensor to allow a colour image to be created. That filter reduces the amount of light reaching the sensor and consequently reduces it's sensitivity
3. The Sightline has a 70mm f1.2 lens that lets in a LOT of light. The Pulsar uses a 50mm f1.4 lens and the IRay has a 50mm f1.2 lens - both of which allow less light to reach the sensor
So, it's unlikely that either the Pulsar C50 or the IRay td50L will perform better than your Sightline at dusk.
However, they should both give a much more detailed image in daylight and, with the right IR, should give a slightly more detailed image at night (they have more sensor pixels but shorter focal length lenses)
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Bruce
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It Could not have been a worse day conditions wise, but you can see a good example of the quality, the recording isn't anywhere near what you see down the scope, I could see the pellet marks on the spinning target at 100 yards, the recording does see them in the last section but not like I could.
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Daytime image looks no better than the ATN 4K pro.
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The recording isn't as good as what you see
There will be many people who have rifles with good glass for daytime use and other rifles with dedicated NV/thermal scopes for night use
However if you only have one rifle and want to shoot both day and night then the current crop of day/night scopes can do the job.
Yes, the daytime image is not going to be as good as even mediocre glass, but for many people it's good enough.
Also, for air rifle and rimfire users, there is little loss of target detail when using a digital scope at their typical ranges and of course the big benefit is that when it gets dark there is no need to change scopes or fit front or rear add-ons.
Just switch on the IR, adjust the focus and you're good to go.
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Bruce
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Yep, I have one of my 008’s living permanently on my .223.
A typical evening would be spent wandering around the plantation looking for hares and muntjac until the light goes, then up the road to a fox permission for a few hours in the dark. One button pressed and I’m good to go, one rifle does it all, I’d certainly never leave one dedicated rifle in the van whilst out with the other!
The Pard NV008P relies on a VCSEL to provide its night time performance through its tiny front lens to the 1080P sensor , I'm a big fan of its compact size and all in one design, they are very popular units , I like them myself, much better than the Sightmark offerings, the display is just unusable for me on the wraiths, which is a shame as the rest of them is pretty good, again these are very popular units, the wraith and NV008P both have identical FOV even though they have differing magnification... but neither of them are in any shape or form a Digex C50 , the difference in build, function and software are poles apart....
The ATN 4K's image is the best image I have seen for up close work, just look at the ratting footage on youtube produced from them... but they are hit and miss units whilst some love them others loathe them, the intent is there but they fail, for me anyway...
There is nothing on the market as polished "allround" as a C50 . Yes some might have a slightly better image here and there but look at the bigger picture of the product, it's premium the others are basically not in the same class in this respect...people might not want a well built functional product, if saving money is your game and you want the cheapest option..stick with a Pard NV007 or just make do with a lesser, cheaper dedicated option...
The ATN 4K's image is the best image I have seen for up close work, just look at the ratting footage on youtube produced from them... but they are hit and miss units whilst some love them others loathe them, the intent is there but they fail, for me anyway...
There is nothing on the market as polished "allround" as a C50 . Yes some might have a slightly better image here and there but look at the bigger picture of the product, it's premium the others are basically not in the same class in this respect...people might not want a well built functional product, if saving money is your game and you want the cheapest option..stick with a Pard NV007 or just make do with a lesser, cheaper dedicated option...
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Well said Ian, I look at this slightly different
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This forum always brings people who want to decry new developments especially those that cost a little more. Think Blaser, Emberleaf, creedmoor etc. I've never understood why. I've got the pard 008 which for the money is outstanding and it will still be used. However after trying out the c50 I have one being delivered today! Its about so much more than just the night picture, it's a different class in build quality and for me mounting in 30mm rings is a major plus. They are different products at different price points and it's horses for courses. Certainly looking forward to receiving mine!
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