A message to BASC...

[JTO]

And constant selling (nagging) of how wonderful steel shot is, even if you end up with bulged barrels.

When Harradine got up at the Cheltenham wildfowling conference and declared that he had shot with both lead and steel shot but couldn't tell the difference, that was the finish of BASC for me. Perhaps he missed with everything!
Putting the 'C' in the name was bad enough.

 

[saddler]

Ours would go on the nail in outside dunny, if they were not so IZAL, minus the crossword of course.

IZAL? Is that No.2 down...?

 

[Ratel]

I am not a member of BASC due to an incident with them years ago, which scared my then wife a lot. However, everybody seems to think they are capable of altering the law and standing up to over zealous police action.
If only they had that power, but I am afraid they and others are "Paper Tigers", and basically the police laugh at them and couldn't give a flying f as they are only virtually a "Club" according to the "Guardians" of the law.

 

[finnbear270]

IZAL? Is that No.2 down...?

Scratch that answer

 

[Liveonce]

I am not a member of BASC due to an incident with them years ago, which scared my then wife a lot. However, everybody seems to think they are capable of altering the law and standing up to over zealous police action.
If only they had that power, but I am afraid they and others are "Paper Tigers", and basically the police laugh at them and couldn't give a flying f as they are only virtually a "Club" according to the "Guardians" of the law.

if only wild justice were more like BASC then.

BASC are frightened of losing, but is it not better to have tried and failed then not tried at all?
Clearly BASC prefer the softly softly approach of meetings with MPs then using any legal process like judicial reviews.

 

[finnbear270]

if only wild justice were more like BASC then.

BASC are frightened of losing, but is it not better to have tried and failed then not tried at all?
Clearly BASC prefer the softly softly approach of meetings with MPs then using any legal process like judicial reviews.

You mean the "Slowly slowly catchee nowtee" option?

 

[Ratel]

if only wild justice were more like BASC then.

BASC are frightened of losing, but is it not better to have tried and failed then not tried at all?
Clearly BASC prefer the softly softly approach of meetings with MPs then using any legal process like judicial reviews.

Softly, softly does not always catch the monkey, and if you have no power that approach is cr..
If only they had made a start of joining all the club's together years ago when Richard Tyce proposed it, we may now have had a good start to something similar to the USA NRA.

 

[finnbear270]

I am of the opinion (& Yes , I know , everyone has one just like ...), If you don't lock horns with the school bully, the bully gets more prolific. I locked horns with the bully in my youth, then I got left alone, by him, and the others who were following on behind him.
Let's just say I didn't come away undamaged ... but I came out the winner.

 

[paultap]

Just looked at Gunplan insurance which is underwritten by Aviva, if you take out their insurance, you can add Legal expenses cover up to the value of £100,000 for an extra £7, this is specifically designed to challenge renewals, revocations etc. Why can't Basc do this I wonder? Most people would surely pay the extra money.

Total cost is about £48 if you include world wide and Excess cover on the online quote I had.

 

[AGR]

Just 200 legal firearms owners in London. That is an eye opening statistic. I would be interested to see the number of people suspected to be in possession of illegal firearms.

Ah, interesting. Not checked but always told that D&C had the highest no of firearms per whatever in the country. Perhaps they are trying to reduce the figure.

 

[baguio]

Just looked at Gunplan insurance which is underwritten by Aviva, if you take out their insurance, you can add Legal expenses cover up to the value of £100,000 for an extra £7, this is specifically designed to challenge renewals, revocations etc. Why can't Basc do this I wonder? Most people would surely pay the extra money.

Total cost is about £48 if you include world wide and Excess cover on the online quote I had.

"Most people would surely pay the extra money." Would they?
So lets get this right, you currently have a choice to be a member of BASC and take out the exact insurance that you require for a total cost of £130. Where's the advantage of simply paying BASC £130 to be a member and get the insurance that suits paultap but possibly not many others? Sorry but I would rather sort out insurance that suits Baguio thanks and not pay the extra money! I suspect that most would too! Why would I want to pay BASC an extra £48 if I didn't need insurance at all IE Professional who are employed and insured through the employer!
Talk about short sighted!

 

[Glyn Walsh]

Good post! Best of luck getting a worthwhile response from them though. Although if members fill up Mr BASCs inbox with PMs asking for direct action it may spur him into action. Or keep him off the site. Either would be acceptable from my perspective . . . .

 

[ColinJ]

You can opt out of receiving the magazine (I have).

 

[baguio]

You can opt out of receiving the magazine (I have).

Of course you can Colin. Sadly that would require people to phone or email which is far to difficult for some, apparently?

 

[long_range_rob]

Ah, interesting. Not checked but always told that D&C had the highest no of firearms per whatever in the country. Perhaps they are trying to reduce the figure.

Or perhaps they are just trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted

 

[Greenmist]

We currently have a system where, if you need a medical expect to confirm your mental health you can get it done for £50, do we have no shooting barristers willing to do the same?

 

[paultap]

"Most people would surely pay the extra money." Would they?
So lets get this right, you currently have a choice to be a member of BASC and take out the exact insurance that you require for a total cost of £130. Where's the advantage of simply paying BASC £130 to be a member and get the insurance that suits paultap but possibly not many others? Sorry but I would rather sort out insurance that suits Baguio thanks and not pay the extra money! I suspect that most would too! Why would I want to pay BASC an extra £48 if I didn't need insurance at all IE Professional who are employed and insured through the employer!
Talk about short sighted!

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick and haven't understood my point, or the level of cover on the current Basc insurance policy. The Basc membership already covers you for personal Liability insurance and personal accident insurance, Its the legal expenses part of the insurance that they dropped.

I meant if you can simply add Legal expenses insurance to Gunplan's insurance for an extra £7, then why can't Basc charge an extra £7 to add Legal expenses insurance to the existing Basc insurance policy included in the membership. The Level of cover is otherwise very similar.

I am talking about adding another £7 to the Basc membership and not taking out any insurance with Gunplan.

Or if you think being a Basc member is now not good value since it dropped the legal expenses part of the policy, you could drop the Basc membership entirely and just look for alternative insurance such as Gunplan's - as an example.

 

[bottletopbill]

Could BASC ask it members do they want the magazine or not and reflect this in membership cost per year.
If you choose not to get the magazine could they not offer Legal expenses cover instead guys just thinking aloud

 

[Dunwaters]

basc and others ngo etc can not alter the law

The law hasn’t changed, police policy appears to have.

 

[Bowland blades]

Dear BASC

With events that unfolded in Cornwall last year and consequently with the Police confiscating certificate holders’ guns, and with this being copycatted elsewhere, it is becoming very apparent that law abiding shooters I speak to are worried. It is irrespective of whether someone has done something wrong as a simple complaint by an anti may be excuse enough for overzealous Police forces.

It is plainly obvious that the Police are using ‘confiscation’ to be seen to be doing something about in many cases nothing except for ticking their own boxes at the expense of shooters. Very few shooters understand the implications of surrendering their guns without a reasonable and legal reason. Although the ‘English Shooting’ channel is not something I particularly follow it was brought to my attention and was enlightening to what is happening and I would urge you to watch it and make a public announcement on how these sorts of situations should be handled from both sides.

This brings us on to another subject, covered by English Shooting, and that is insurance. Although BASC gives a limited shooting cover with membership it is useless and ineffective for a situation arising that requires legal representation. Unfortunately, as life and situations have evolved since BASC withdrew its legal cover in July 2020 advice is not enough and a more robust insurance cover needs to be re-introduced

There are now several companies offering comprehensive cover including legal representation cheaper than BASC’s full membership. These other insurance company offers are a barrier to taking up BASC membership irrespective of what other benefits BASC does for shooting. In the current climate saving money matters.

I’ve researched one insurance company who for an additional £7 on their standard premium give full legal cover up to £100,000. Why isn’t BASC using their insurance broker to offer this option so retaining or harvesting new members. The CPSA include ‘legal expenses insurance for shotgun revocation and renewal issues’ not rifles or pistols, but they give it.

Come on BASC and without being critical you need to step up to the mark and adjust to the current climate and advise on a robust legal response for shooters faced with Police on their doorstep.

From a long-term member,
(Unlike many who have left for a more economical and comprehensive cover option).

BECAUSE group insurances catch all ! Think about it withing basc say there will be allsorts of folks , criminal pasts previous or even current mental heath issue and of course those who join without holding a licence and use basc or other orgs insurance to fight failure to issue .
Just like regular insurance as me and tge Mrs don't have a criminal past , own property and are in our 50s we can get a lot better deal than my 22 year old trainee doctor daughter on insurance , mortgages etc . Why ? Because we have proved it from turning 17/18 year old when we first started taking out insurance .
Ask someone of similar age to us who has been convicted and served time for say insurance fraud etc how much they had to pay
Talking basc well they had to pick and choose who they would proceed into revocation , failure to grant with . It was never yes to any member and nor should it have been

DONT TAKE THIS AS BASC KNOCKING ITS NOT All orgs would have been active in this choosing thing . Was it right to use up members money to fight cases with very little chance of success?