What wouldn’t you shoot?

Yes but the reason there are so few wildcats isn’t down to feral cat hybridisation is it .Persecution in the past by man has a huge part to play as well as encroaching land use .I’m not a cat lover but can’t imagine there are large numbers of ferals wandering prime wildcat habitat .
Native species have evolved around imports though mate .
Habitat loss has led to decline but hybridisation with both feral and domestic cats is seen as the main threat to Scottish Wild Cats .

Hybridisation was recognised by SWA as the main threat and accordingly, emphasis was given to mitigate this threat, e.g. by means of TN(V)R. Reducing the risks posed by pet and feral domestic cats to wildcats was the most important activity of the SWCAP, which directly or indirectly is covered by several Projects and Actions (e.g. Projects 2.1, 2.4, 2.5, and 3.8; SNH (2013)).


 
It isn't evolution, that is where a species becomes distinct over time due to an inherited characteristic providing an advantage, it is just hybridisation.

Hybridisation of the wildcat will lead to wildcats becoming extinct, that is the very opposite of evolution.
Not so, extinction is an intrinsic part of evolution, 99% + of all the creatures that have ever existed are extinct now but life goes on.
In your example yes your right, the “wild cat” will probably become extinct, but wild cats won’t, their place will be taken by hybrids better able to deal with current conditions which is evolution in action.
 
Habitat loss has led to decline but hybridisation with both feral and domestic cats is seen as the main threat to Scottish Wild Cats .

Hybridisation was recognised by SWA as the main threat and accordingly, emphasis was given to mitigate this threat, e.g. by means of TN(V)R. Reducing the risks posed by pet and feral domestic cats to wildcats was the most important activity of the SWCAP, which directly or indirectly is covered by several Projects and Actions (e.g. Projects 2.1, 2.4, 2.5, and 3.8; SNH (2013)).

Don’t forget the effects of historical human persecution and the detribalising effects of a low population base.
Low population levels can result in hybridisation due to lack of other breeding opportunities, red/sika hybridised here when the populations of both species were very low and widely spread.
 
I was holidaying on a Greek island recently when my daughter (7) and I stumbled upon a chicken coop not far from the villa. Hung up above the coop were two eagles, they’d been shot and strung up as deterrents.
My instant reaction was one of anger, and when we got back to the holiday home I wanted to report the owners of the house. My daughter isn’t a fan of me shooting and pointed out my obvious double standards. My wife pointed out that the same is done in the UK with crows, which are more intelligent birds.
The whole thing got me thinking. I’ve often felt a little like an imposter in the shooting community. I remember waiting in a gun shop and the chap in front relayed a story of how he opened his kitchen door and shot a load of garden birds and a squirrel in one go that morning, and I just stood there thinking that was pretty off.
There’s very little I’d rather be doing than stalking deer or shooting rabbits, and when we’ve livestock that needs to be slaughtered I do it myself, so I’m not anti-hunting, but I’ve always had a mental list of animals I’m comfortable killing and those I’m not. Probably based on how common they are and if I can eat them.
There’s something about hunting trips to Africa which make me feel uncomfortable. I certainly wouldn’t want to shoot big game.
But, I’m in no way blind to my double standards. I have a line I’m comfortable with, and I’d guess everyone does - except Buddhists perhaps.

I was just curious; are there any animals you wouldn’t shoot?
correct on the double standards. Each nation decides what is right and wrong as regards species and time. i quite like the American stance based on population at the time state by state season by season with real science .
Think about it , we could just open up badgers in TB areas or those with too high a number for bio diversity. I mean the RSPB where very keen to remove the Eagle owl pair from Bowland as they actively seek out and kill other raptors . Areas of Scotland where the Golden eagle will soon be absent if we do not exercise some population control like brood management on the re - introduced Sea Eagle
Why must i sit by and watch the LBB gull re populate so fast and devastate the breeding red and amber list waders nests and broods ?
Everything has its place of course but its quite plain to me on speaking to those who are given authority are more interested in their career path and personal political agenda than little things like clear evidence
 
Not so, extinction is an intrinsic part of evolution, 99% + of all the creatures that have ever existed are extinct now but life goes on.
In your example yes your right, the “wild cat” will probably become extinct, but wild cats won’t, their place will be taken by hybrids better able to deal with current conditions which is evolution in action.
How is a hybridised Household moggie more able to cope to living wild in the Scottish Highlands , through all seasons than the real deal that's been doing fine it for thousands of years before the domestic cat was in the nation ? No, that's clearly not evolution of a wild animal ! Its simply a man made dilution of the gene pool to nil
 
Don’t forget the effects of historical human persecution and the detribalising effects of a low population base.
Low population levels can result in hybridisation due to lack of other breeding opportunities, red/sika hybridised here when the populations of both species were very low and widely spread.
Hybridisation is happening now and deer populations are high. It happens when 2 species that are similar enough to mate breed, much like Homo Sapiens and and Neanderthals or Homo Sapiens and Denisovans. It is not always the result of low population density, it’s just as often a chance meeting and the deep seated desire to pass on genes.
 
I used to think I could shoot anything without an issue as long as it was lawful/legal and/or justifiable. I can't.
That's all I have to say.
 
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So the wild cat/domestic hybrid is a somewhat complicated affair that most people including the powers to be simply don't grasp.
I will try to show what happened giving my experiences in the north highland, eg Inverness north.
When I first came up north in 1981 the wild cat population was strong and the further north you got the stronger the population.
Now at the same time the population of rabbits was through the roof, so much so that it was NOT possible to drive past any field in Caithness and not see rabbits, rain or shine.
It was quite common for me to flick a lamp on a field and see rabbits going round in circles with broken spines, where adult wildcats were training kits, a very efficient training method.
I say wild cat, these were as pure as you can imagine, genetic test were done in the late 80s and they were still pure.
However these cats were all living in the wilder areas of the county well away from human disturbance.
When a new strain of myxomatosis struck in 1990 it removed about 80-90% of the rabbits and that had two effects, one the cats had to travel to find the rabbits and two it often took them closer to human habitation, simply looking for rats and the like.
The rabbits soon started to bounce back only to be clobbered by RVHD1 in the early 90s, this time it removed nearly all the rabbits and only left tiny pockets of a handful and it spread from Caithness to Sutherland onto easter Ross and so on down the country..
Again the wildcats found themselves facing starvation and at the same time house building on a large scale took of in Caithness and the rest of the North highland.
These houses were not necessary a boost to numbers of people, just a re distribution of them and the animals they kept.
As the houses were in rural areas people often got chickens and the like, these not only attracted rats and mice, but also ground predators.
These people often saw the rats and got mice in the house, being from towns etc, they were not used to this or farms and were used to it, both got cats to deal with the issue. The wild cats were often blamed for killing the birds and hammering the domestic Cats.
However the otters, martens etc were more to blame for the latter.
However the wild cat got the blame and was dealt with by uneducated fools , I found 3 legged cats from gin traps and snares, gun wounded cats and even more common poison was used, it killed all sorts on mammals.
The wild cats spread from 4/5 major strongholds in the county to the whole county, and when females were in season, males were often absent, but domestic toms were common.
So we ended up with a lot less wildcats from starvation, killing by people and those that were left were diluted by domestic blood.
I still see them[pure] but rarely. The last one I put down[legaly] was rested and was as near as it could be to pure.
But even hybrids are few and far between as there simply is no food for them.
I sit and look at my photos and remember them fondly and reminisce about supplying them for Sporrans etc, I have no regrets because I had little impact on them. The person who brought VHD to Caithness is the one to blame, he proudly boasted about moving myxy rabbits from Newcastle to Caithness and then vials of RvHD and RVhd 2 into Caithness.
He was reported but no proof of the deed so its hearsay.
Would I shoot a wild cat, no because the circumstances are wrong, but in the right circumstances if legal, yes I would.
 
I'm the same mate. Makes no sense to me as I don't own livestock and neither does my landowner. Tbh, I also struggle to understand why people 'enjoy' foxing and ratting. Not judging but for me, if it doesn't get eaten neither does it get shot.
you have never had a rat problem then , because trust me anyone who has becomes a stone cold rat killers fast " Bill Oddie " soon changed his tune didn't he just LOL
Its like this , with No real balance in the UK or any hope of getting it within the vastly changed environment we have today .... Killing for management is of great importance .
Managing is so different than incriminate killing . The fact we can eat something doesn't make it fair game ( take the Swan ) they reputedly taste very nice and killing stoats could be of questionable nature if the land is lifting with rabbits yet no Red or Amber list ground nesting birds. I certainly do like Wood pigeon to eat and they are the major pest to agriculture , however i live on ground where the agriculture is 95% sheep . This means not only is it unethical to harvest Woodpigeon from my ground , it illegal under the terms of the OGL , sheet feral pigeons in Barns a lot because of the risk to animal and human health ( once took 300 over two nights ) i wont ever be eating a single bird
 
you have never had a rat problem then , because trust me anyone who has becomes a stone cold rat killers fast " Bill Oddie " soon changed his tune didn't he just LOL
Its like this , with No real balance in the UK or any hope of getting it within the vastly changed environment we have today .... Killing for management is of great importance .
Managing is so different than incriminate killing . The fact we can eat something doesn't make it fair game ( take the Swan ) they reputedly taste very nice and killing stoats could be of questionable nature if the land is lifting with rabbits yet no Red or Amber list ground nesting birds. I certainly do like Wood pigeon to eat and they are the major pest to agriculture , however i live on ground where the agriculture is 95% sheep . This means not only is it unethical to harvest Woodpigeon from my ground , it illegal under the terms of the OGL , sheet feral pigeons in Barns a lot because of the risk to animal and human health ( once took 300 over two nights ) i wont ever be eating a single bird
No I haven't and the emphasis I thought was clear enough on the word ENJOY.
 
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It’s pitting your wits against a worthy adversary mate .Ok the thermal and NV has tipped the scales a bit but only so far as the chap using it has to know the habits of each to get a grip on killing them .
Rats in number are a decent quarry for terriers and the fox too .Pest control rears it’s head if you want to hang onto ground as well .
 
@Sheprador1973
It’s pitting your wits against a worthy adversary mate .Ok the thermal and NV has tipped the scales a bit but only so far as the chap using it has to know the habits of each to get a grip on killing them .
Rats in number are a decent quarry for terriers and the fox too .Pest control rears it’s head if you want to hang onto ground as well .
I know mate, just doesn't do it for me personally. Your last point was a good one (but also doesn't have to equate to enjoyment, for me).
 
I enjoy it all though mate .I wouldn’t take any form of hunting shooting over another ,it’s just in me to be out every second I’m able .Sat in boring meeting at moment with someone trying to sell me concrete at stupid rates .After hours so I’m going to cut him short .Off ratting in Oxfordshire tonight .
 
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are you for real ? You plainly have no clue and no defence. while i agree what is edible should always be used as such , your pedestal on which you stand is very unstable.
Clean up ? tell me how does cleaning up help with moles or Rats seeking somewhere warm to drop thier babies etc?
I think you're taking this a bit too seriously tbh. And I don't need a defence and I don't have a pedestal either. I'd just direct you again to the word 'enjoy' which I can't find a big enough font size for, clearly.
 
Just clean up a bit more and you won't have to!
Our garden is clean but we’ve got a rat under the decking by the bird feeder .Trail cam has him half way in the tunnel box but I know how they function and won’t predict a catch anytime soon .
Ill post a pic when the happy day arrives .
 
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Our garden in clean but we’ve got a rat under the decking by the bird feeder .Trail cam has him half way in the tunnel box but I know how they function and won’t predict a catch anytime soon .
Ill post a pic when the happy day arrives .
Well good luck mate...I'm sure you'll have him soon!
 
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