They are just restocking.
New long range lead
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Smellydog
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Oh right, that's good then. I was worried they were doing nothing because the believe they don't need to do anything....bit like the British bike industry in the 60's.
Busy selling as much lead as they can to the states!
Did how did you expect it to look? Little stabilizing fins?? For what they charge you'd expect it!!Is it me or does it just look like err any other 22
You would hope that the enhanced performance would come with the building. ~Muir
Smellydog
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Perhaps they just realised that if they produce them like how they did 50 years ago they might just be onto a winner!Did how did you expect it to look? Little stabilizing fins?? For what they charge you'd expect it!!
You would hope that the enhanced performance would come with the building. ~Muir
Nobody does. I remember 60-ish years ago returning a box of Winchester 22LR because I had ONE dud. The guy took it very seriously: called the plant, took LOT numbers and returned the unused portion of the ammo to the factory in exchange for two fresh boxes. People take "FTF"s as a norm these days. I take rim fire hunting seriously. IF I work myself into position for a shot and I get 'click' I'm going to be very upset.
As to accuracy, we are in a bad time for rounds that are not on the very top end of the chain because all the lesser lines are having production sped-up up to 'catch up' and cash in on the buying. Faster they run the machinery, the less the quality. They will run the dies a little longer than they normally would. Cut some corners and the ammo will suffer.
...And uneducated shooters will just take what they can get. ~Muir
Busy selling all their ammo in the US - you certainly can't find it here.
Precision .22 has become quite popular there all of a sudden.
Smellydog
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Odd they buying eley then......
I have moved to Lapua. Purely due to consistent availability.Odd they buying eley then......
nun_hunter
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They already use lead free primers in some of their 9mm ammo so they're definitely ahead of a few manufacturers on what they offer and where they see a gap in the market.
hybridfiat
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Banning lead has absolutely NOTHING to do with health, the environment or safety.New from lapua, might be of interest for some.
I was intrigued that lapua obviously envisages some future for lead .22 despite all the terrible, terrible danger associated with lead projectiles.
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It is to STOP YOU from shooting!
Have you NOT worked that out yet!?
Bloody hell, it's like watching the march of the living dead.
Reloader708
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I was exercising the lowest form of wit!
Regarding working things out,I've had an incline for some time now!
HonestJohn
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They tried to stop us driving and being able to refuel many years ago, fortunately an alternative lead free fuel was invented! Phew!
Many nations that have banned lead shot haven't touched bullets . Pretty sure NZ kept lead in 410 for wildfowl because of the younger shooters and the fact so little is actually used against what exists .New from lapua, might be of interest for some.
I was intrigued that lapua obviously envisages some future for lead .22 despite all the terrible, terrible danger associated with lead projectiles.
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slightly different with .22 rf , simply because so many leave Rats, Crows, Squirrels, Foxes and such in the field . Before the impending ban many venues insisted on buried Gralloch on deer but enough folks ignored it so now more and more we are told none toxic only !
and one nation came to appreciate they got the lead ban wrong
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I heard that Norway reversed its lead ban. - BASC
B I heard that Norway reversed its lead ban. In 2014, Norway reintroduced lead shot for live quarry hunting outside wetlands after a lengthy campaign by the Norwegian Association of Hunters and Anglers. Their argument Read more…
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when has any UK government really listened to any counter arguments after the get go ? We have the main people advising the government actually campaigning for a lead ban before they where given the lead in researching it !and one nation came to appreciate they got the lead ban wrong
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I heard that Norway reversed its lead ban. - BASC
B I heard that Norway reversed its lead ban. In 2014, Norway reintroduced lead shot for live quarry hunting outside wetlands after a lengthy campaign by the Norwegian Association of Hunters and Anglers. Their argument Read more…
Personally I prefer using copper bullets for deer and steel shot for birds. Yet i prefer Lead for the smaller Rifles and so long as i pick up and dispose or use / remove carcasses i cant see an issue .
Be happier if CIP removed velocity limits from steel shot loads totally and just worked on pressure to boot
Heym SR20
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I really do wonder if some have actually read the HSE proposals. Even just read the executive summary. https://consultations.hse.gov.uk/crd-reach/restriction-proposals-004/supporting_documents/Annex 15 restriction dossier lead in ammunition.pdf
I won’t copy and paste it all, but they do recognise that some clay shooters who ate competing on an international level will need to practice with lead shot and they can do so on ranges where there is appropriate measures to control the lead shot.
They do recognise that some forms of target shooting with rifles and air rifles, in particular small bores and historic weapons already have measures in place to capture lead ammunition - notably sand traps etc and thus prevent it from getting into the environment. And that provided these were in place lead ammunition could continue to be used.
What it also states is the HSE considers there is no safe level of ingested lead either for humans or birds or animals. Thus animals or birds going into human food chain should be shot lead free ammunition.
As for vermin, there is comment that if disposed of properly then risks would be minimised, but very difficult to enforce, thus the HSE view is that any hunting will be with lead free ammunition.
Full details are here
I won’t copy and paste it all, but they do recognise that some clay shooters who ate competing on an international level will need to practice with lead shot and they can do so on ranges where there is appropriate measures to control the lead shot.
They do recognise that some forms of target shooting with rifles and air rifles, in particular small bores and historic weapons already have measures in place to capture lead ammunition - notably sand traps etc and thus prevent it from getting into the environment. And that provided these were in place lead ammunition could continue to be used.
What it also states is the HSE considers there is no safe level of ingested lead either for humans or birds or animals. Thus animals or birds going into human food chain should be shot lead free ammunition.
As for vermin, there is comment that if disposed of properly then risks would be minimised, but very difficult to enforce, thus the HSE view is that any hunting will be with lead free ammunition.
Full details are here
Smellydog
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Utter nonsense....
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“I won’t copy and paste it all, but they do recognise that some clay shooters who ate competing on an international level will need to practice with lead shot and they can do so on ranges where there is appropriate measures to control the lead shot.”
stupid and ridiculous idea, at what cost to allow a very few elite shooters to use lead shot, and how will the next generation or person train with lead to become the next international level competitor.
No if it’s banned then no exceptions for such international level competitors all or none.
And yes I have read the HSE document that is written by someone who looks never to have used any type of firearm.
stupid and ridiculous idea, at what cost to allow a very few elite shooters to use lead shot, and how will the next generation or person train with lead to become the next international level competitor.
No if it’s banned then no exceptions for such international level competitors all or none.
And yes I have read the HSE document that is written by someone who looks never to have used any type of firearm.
How many people died last year or the year before that from eating game meat?
What ever the number it can be further reduced by the voluntary ban and personal choice not to eat game meat containing lead.
yet
Smoking is the primary cause of preventable illness and premature death, accounting for approximately 74,600 deaths a year in England. Smoking harms nearly every organ of the body and dramatically reduces both quality of life and life expectancy.
When the HSE ban smoking I will start to take them seriously.
What ever the number it can be further reduced by the voluntary ban and personal choice not to eat game meat containing lead.
yet
Smoking is the primary cause of preventable illness and premature death, accounting for approximately 74,600 deaths a year in England. Smoking harms nearly every organ of the body and dramatically reduces both quality of life and life expectancy.
When the HSE ban smoking I will start to take them seriously.
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