Bergara b14 rifles after almost 10 years from the release, reliability/accuracy/durability/features!

By the way, the more i read the answers the more i get doubtful about bergara anyway. One here had the trigger guard just snapping in half, two others in another forum had a rough chamber, someone says cycling is nlt reliable (even if i think this is not the case).. i don't know, when i bought my b14 in 2018 i didn't find a single complaint about these rifles anywhere. Maybe with the increase in sales they didn't manage to keep
up with the QC? in 2018 it was already 4 years since the b14 hit the market so if there was any frequent issue it would have been written down somewhere. If i am not mistaken, at the beginning they were shipping every rifle with a test target and now not every rifle has one. Maybe they really had to reduce the QC testing in order to produce much more rifles..
 
This is a tikka forum, make no mistake, as mentioned above conformational bias sneaks in.

The standard brands will all be pretty much the same accuracy and reliability wise so it comes down to how fussed you are for after market parts.

Tikka’s sell at a bit more of a premium purely because they are popular, sako’s a bit higher again because they are posh tikka.

FWIW I think you are massively overthinking it!
 
This is a tikka forum, make no mistake, as mentioned above conformational bias sneaks in.

The standard brands will all be pretty much the same accuracy and reliability wise so it comes down to how fussed you are for after market parts.

Tikka’s sell at a bit more of a premium purely because they are popular, sako’s a bit higher again because they are posh tikka.

FWIW I think you are massively overthinking it!
Massively, yes. I will buy a b14 hunter cause I like the factory cerakote and I will put it in a pse e-lite stock. I'll update you on the results, probably also with pics of dead animals ahah
 
All these different rifles seem to have different price in different markets. Fundamentally its like trying to compare the differences between all the various mid market hatchback cars. You can endlessly read about the differences between the VW Golf, Seat Leon, Audi A3, Opel Cadet, Ford Focus, Toyota Corrolla or whatever etc etc etc. but fundamentally they all do the same job, all are pretty reliable, economic to run, will loose 30% of their showroom value in the first year and after five or six years are worth £2 to £5000 depending on mileage, how many deer have been carried in the back and whether or not it has leather seats. And after 10 years you get just scrap value.

It’s only after 20 plus years when old top of the range examples that low mileage and pretty much unused start gaining real interest and some sort of collector value.

But in the UK, thanks to restrictive legislation there is not a huge market for low value hunting rifles that may be of interest (compared to say the US where lots of interest in collecting Ruger No1 or Rem 700s etc).

There will always be a market for high grade guns and rifles. But even then second hand price is but a fraction of the new price. I looked at still tight and virtually unused 16 bore AyA No 1 the other day. Priced on a par with a Beretta Silver Pigeon. New these are over £20,000. I also looked at a Purdey best sidelock - 2 Berreta Silver pigeons with pretty wood. New these are little change from £200,000.
 
All these different rifles seem to have different price in different markets. Fundamentally its like trying to compare the differences between all the various mid market hatchback cars. You can endlessly read about the differences between the VW Golf, Seat Leon, Audi A3, Opel Cadet, Ford Focus, Toyota Corrolla or whatever etc etc etc. but fundamentally they all do the same job, all are pretty reliable, economic to run, will loose 30% of their showroom value in the first year and after five or six years are worth £2 to £5000 depending on mileage, how many deer have been carried in the back and whether or not it has leather seats. And after 10 years you get just scrap value.

It’s only after 20 plus years when old top of the range examples that low mileage and pretty much unused start gaining real interest and some sort of collector value.

But in the UK, thanks to restrictive legislation there is not a huge market for low value hunting rifles that may be of interest (compared to say the US where lots of interest in collecting Ruger No1 or Rem 700s etc).

There will always be a market for high grade guns and rifles. But even then second hand price is but a fraction of the new price. I looked at still tight and virtually unused 16 bore AyA No 1 the other day. Priced on a par with a Beretta Silver Pigeon. New these are over £20,000. I also looked at a Purdey best sidelock - 2 Berreta Silver pigeons with pretty wood. New these are little change from £200,000.
I am currently looking for a new car. Can you please send me a link for a 5yr old hatchback from a decent manufacturer for £2000 or £3000 or even £5000 that doesn't have 150,000+ on the clock or is a Cat S or N. Don't even mind if it has deer guts in the back.
 
I had a b14 silhouette in 270 it was ok got 1.2 to 1.5 inch group out of it, I found the stock too low with a 56mm objective scope and I tried a cheek riser. I wasn’t happy with it so sold it went to a tikka, which fits me better. Have a look at them, I wouldn’t buy one again or if I did perhaps a smaller scope would be ok.
 
I’m sorry but a Tikka isn’t the top of the tree, it’s essentially a budget Sako. Nothing wrong with a budget rifle, it allows you you to spend more on the scope. My first true stalking rig as opposed to a converted 303 was a CZ550FS in 6.5 Swedish and topped with a 30mm S&B 1-5 x 20 and I still have it and is still my favourite stalking rifle if I’m not testing a custom calibre!
 
thing with lot of rifles in mid or budget range is a false economy...you end up upgrading a stock ... not cheap pin itself...trigger perhaps ...by time you've done that your into 2nd hand semi custom or more money

i wish they would sell the base rifle with an adjustable cheek piece decent trigger or at least adjustable out the box ... closest I've come to that was my B14 HMR ... i find 90% rifle stocks once you have decent check weld open your eyes and looking almost under a scope or thru mounts .

its a shame that one thing you have to consider is can i get loads aftermarket bits for it?

Paul
 
The objective bell, tube size and ocular diameter is getting silly, to the point we need a massive cheek rise to a stock.

FFS- buy a gold scope with 36-44mm objective, mount it 2mm over the barrel - and enjoy a sleek stock without the Lego Duplo build up.
 
I’d be interested to hear anyone’s views on the Wilderness Thumbhole. Handled one at the stalking show and really liked it, considering one in 6.5. A lot of features for a reasonable price - refreshing when everything else day to day seems outrageously inflated.

I’ve got a B14 Sporter in .308 and apart from a temporary accuracy issue (action screws had worked loose - now check occasionally with torque wrench) have found it to be excellent and is very good value.
 
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Bergara’s QC seems to be cyclical. Great for a year then crap for a year and then great again and then it slips for a while and then back up.

At least it seems like that if you read discussion boards online.
 
Don’t think it’s been mentioned in this thread but Bergara supply barrels to more than one other firearms manufacturers.
Ken.
 
Have a Tikka T3 Varmint in .243 and Bergara B14 Extreme Sporter in 6.5CM. Really enjoy shooting them both, the Tikka weighs a ton (Wildcat Predator 8 mod) and the Bergara is nice and light. The bergara comes with a few add ons for a lot less cost compared to the tikka (cerakoted, fluted bolt, printed stock), however I love the smoothness of the tikka action. Both fantastic guns that produce excellent results.
 
Guns, rifles just like most mechanical things are really bothered by age per se. Especially if using materials such as steel and wood. Provided properly stored in protective grease you can take a rifle or shotgun made in the late 1800’s that has never been fired, and it will still be in factory new condition and work like new.

But take any gun, work it hard, put lots of cartridges through it and don’t look after it properly and it will be worn out after a few months.

However when you have materials such as polymers, rubber seals etc these do just decay with age and cause problems.
 
Hello everyone, here i am again, last step before starting actually buying a lot of stuff in the process of building my next hunting rig. So, as far as the rifle goes, even if i am open to change my mind, i am leaning toward a B14 hunter in .308 (i would put it in a PSE composites e-lite stock) for my new build for many reasons (and price is not one of them) but it seems like recently, in forums, the bergara is considered a good budget rifle but the QC is not very good and, for example, Tikkas are a “much better” choice, “you can’t beat a tikka”, etc. At the same time, the majority of criticism towards bergara seem to come from who doesn’t own one and several posters on various forums, owning both a tikka and a Bergara, stated that they prefer the Bergara. So what’s the deal? For my hunting rifles i have always preferred a “cheaper” mass produced rifle because i think that these are very good tools, looking at function over cosmetics and being much more tested than less sold rifles, even much more expensive ones. For example, as my main knife i much prefer a cheap mora of sweden knife than a 400 euros luxury knife from a small brand simply because one is just a tool and it’s made to work, the other one goes beyond that and maybe the functionality has not been set as number one priority. The following points summarize how i think the bergara is in the main fields of what i consider important for a hunting rifle (reliability, accuracy, durability/overall quality, features):

-very good reliability with reliable feeding and ejection. Actually b14 actions seem among the most reliable in factory rifles on the market from what i read and experienced. While for example i have heard of many feeding issues with rifles from many brands, i have never heard any problem with B14 actions cycling.

-very good accuracy. I have seen some reports of b14s being pretty picky with ammo but even more reports saying the contrary. My B14 is pretty picky with ammo, but for me a 1.5 MOA group is a bad group so everything depends on the standards of the owner when calling a group “bad”. My b14 hunter, despite the 1:12 twist, seems to hate 150 gr ammo and shoots very well (0.3-0.6 MOA) RWS DK 165 gr and Geco teilmantel 170 gr.

-Good construction quality. It’s not a premium level quality, of course, but to me the Bergara seems to be a rifle built good enough to be considered good to go for any practical application and, since i consider hunting rifles “tools”, i don’t care much about refined cosmetic, finitures, etc. In other words, i don’t think the bergara b14 lacks build quality if you look at the functional side. I can feel it while holding a b14 and, for example, an xpr or a remington and also a cz 550: the bergara feels much more refined and solid and trigger, action and safety work very well. However, there have been some issues with the pot metal bolt shroud breaking or getting out of alignement in early 2018 models (like mine) but mostly with rifles shooting small primer 6.5 creedmore ammo (i have never heard of problems on a 308 rifle) and primers cratering (which, as i understood, is pretty common and it becomes an issue only in certain circumstances). These issues were not followed by a recall and seem to be pretty rare but bergara offers free MIM bolt shrouds to anyone owning a model produced before 2019.

-lot of features: for example, compared to a 1700 euros tikka t3x lite (yeah, in Italy a tikka t3x lite costs twice a b14 hunter), for example, a standard b14 comes with: factory cerakote treatment, no plastic parts (aside from the magazine), muzzle thread, better stock and recoil pad with more aftermarket support, better customer service. Bergaras and tikkas seem to have comparable accuracy (maybe a bit better with bergaras), trigger (maybe better on tikkas with the cheap trigger spring upgrade) and action (it is said the action is better on the Tikka but i tried both and i didn’t feel that much difference, both actions are very smooth).

What do you think about all this? I know this post is the definition of overthinking but we are here to discuss afterall, a passion is a passion because we invest in it definitely too much time and energies than we need! Also hunting season is closed here at the moment, otherwise i would be in my hills, stalking roes and boars ahah

p.s.: it would be great if, when replying, you could specify if you have any direct experience or not!
Ciao!

I agree with the assessment: I own a .308 Bergara B14 Hunter with a Magpul Hunter stock and a .223 Howa 1500 with a MDT Oryx (amongst others, but I think these two sit in the same category). I have only been using the for target shooting so far (CSR).
The Bergara is sub-MOA with factory ammo, the Howa is borderline MOA. The bolt of the Bergara is incredibly smooth in comparison with the Howa's, even after polishing it by hand....


By the way, based on previous posts I gather your are a fellow vet (the "palatine process" comment gave you away, I think). Drop my a DM if you fancy a chat.


Cheers
 
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