Do you think that the current shooting test for the DSC1 qualification is suitable or sufficient?

Do you think that the current shooting test for the DSC1 qualification is suitable or sufficient?

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It's a test with a standard that has to be equally applied across the country.
How much discretion then? Where do you stop? Can you imagine 2 candidates, one 5mm out PASS. The other 7mm out FAIL?
It would end with handbags at dawn.
This. Outside the line is outside the line. If it breaks the line is another discussion 🤔
 
That’s why as I said the police strike a deal with such places, it doesn't need tobe one to one, it could be groups of 10-20 people, would take no longer than a hour on range to demonstrate safe practices, and discipline. And a basic online or in classroom multiple choice.
And would be one safe handling combined if coterminous certificates.

Currently dsc1 is a 3/4 day course? And the cost of that is £300/pp? So I’m not sure as to how you don’t think it could be done for under £500. I’ve previously done both shotgun and firearm safe handling courses it didn’t come anywhere near too £500! Was if I remember correctly £120.

And I can assure you I never have nor will ever touch narcotics.
So
1 you’re relying on all police forces agreeing to the same test.
2, Then each force finding a suitable contractor or several area dependent.
3. The police enabling a contract at a reasonable cost to either them or the shooter.
4. The cost of administering the new system would be kept low.

Are you also suggesting if this was in place then the DSC would not be used by police as a prerequisite to a deer calibre rifle?
 
The rifle club i go to do a safe handling course before you go onto a range.
I have completed this now at two clubs and with a mentor on two days of training.
So why pay more cost.
Would it be better if a mentor could sign it off due to more cost it you do not belong to any clubs.


Just my thought as some are on a budget in life and we all cant afford a bunch of purdy's
I know of 2 clubs local ish to me both full and closed to new members.
 
Quite a bit of safe handling was covered in the simulated stalk/safety questions.

How would you pass me the rifle.
How would you cross this obstruction.
Muzzle awareness.
 
Rules are the regulations that the people under a government need to follow. They guarantee the smooth run of community life. They also ensure the safety of the citizens by giving instructions that help to reduce accidents.
 
I did my DSC1 test shooting with a borrowed riffle Never shot a deer before my test.
And with luck passed at my first attempt despite raining hard (luck was with me :rofl: .
Some had shot many deer prior to the test but failed after there two attempts.
That is why i still practice in all weather conditions at 100m to 200m range

This was similar to my own experience. Group of 7 or 8 of us on the day. Only 1 had taken deer before - and was busy regaling us of stories of the big bucks they had taken the year past. Turns out it was their second attempt at the shooting test (having previously failed when they did the test through BASC).

They had 3 goes at it on the day, and couldn't put 2 shots together at all. Target apparently looked like they'd been shooting buckshot at it. We were discussing what the state of the beasts they had shot must have been like... I know there's the argument of "can't put shots on paper from the pressure", but surely should at least have somewhat of a reasonable grouping? 😅 Otherwise, how do they zero 😅
 
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So
1 you’re relying on all police forces agreeing to the same test.
2, Then each force finding a suitable contractor or several area dependent.
3. The police enabling a contract at a reasonable cost to either them or the shooter.
4. The cost of administering the new system would be kept low.

Are you also suggesting if this was in place then the DSC would not be used by police as a prerequisite to a deer calibre rifle?
It’s an idea, clearly some won’t agree, same with everything in life.

And as for dsc to get a deer calibre, I had a deer calibre infact several without dsc. Even on first grant.
 
Where are all these wounded deer and stray bullets that make the status quo such a problem? We are drowning ourselves in rules.
Rules are the regulations that the people under a government need to follow. They guarantee the smooth run of community life. They also ensure the safety of the citizens by giving instructions that help to reduce accidents.

Assuming it was my post you are responding to what about the question?

“Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.” - Harry Day
 
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It’s an idea, clearly some won’t agree, same with everything in life.

And as for dsc to get a deer calibre, I had a deer calibre infact several without dsc. Even on first grant.
Yes it’s an idea, I applaud your faith in the system, the system that currently hardly any constabularies follow the guidelines in the same manner with no tangible organisation that has any clout to change these decisions on the whole.
so your suggestion could be taken to an extreme and it’s like it or lump it shooter crack on.

I also had several deer calibre without dsc oh wait there was no dsc when I got mine and also open on grant if I remember correctly.
 
We all need to push the police and shooting org's into only one set of rules across the UK .
This is our own fault as we all go along with it to keep our tickets.
Do not agree with all the training and should be left to each person .
But agree with a mentor or course to learn the basic and ensure a clean kill.
SORRY FOLKS THIS IS MY FAULTS ONLY.

but what do I know:mad::rofl::rofl:
 
No they wouldn't, unless the shots were taken at very close quarters. At 100 yards the difference is negligible, and wouldn't affect shot placing.
(And besides, a simulated highseat, for the purpose of such a test, could in fact be a low seat. The reason why I think such a thing should be included is because for many candidates, doing DSC1 at the start of the stalking journey, the first deer they shoot will be from a highseat).
In the DSC course material and discussed on my DSC1 course, it covers adjustment for elevation and angles to ensure you hit the kill zone. As also mentioned, if in doubt, don't shoot!
 
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My only suggestion would be to use a photographic image as the target with the ‘kill’ area on the reverse side instead of the solid black silhouette.
That's what I had to do. It was a Sika hind at 150 yards ?? Highland test. I forget the exact range. Pretty good I thought.
 
Checked my 7x57 on Friday with 165gr lead. First shot 2" high, second 1.5" high, both perfect on vertical, suits me for anything between 50 & 200 yds. Even tried one of these new fangled 150gr copper jobbies 2.5" high but don't like em.😀
 
That is ridiculous…5mm outside the circle the assessor should be using his discretion.

No it’s not ridiculous at all, if a shot hits outside the circle they have failed! What you describe is like giving everyone at sports day a participation medal !
Let’s remember there is a 5 inch diameter circle on the DSC1 test target. If you can’t put all of your shots from 100m and 70m into a 5 inch circle you have no business going stalking. If someone post a tidy group on the edge of the 5 inch circle the first time then they reshoot the test and adjust their point of aim
 
Nothing wrong with the test, practice is what is needed. Some people don’t have access to land or ranges and are stuck can’t zero or practice easily it must be hard for a beginner or anyone else who does not have access. To learn to zero your rifle, shoot from different distances, in different positions get a feel for your rifle and your own capabilities is a huge help. I’m sure all of us want to shoot 1/2 inch groups and shoot deer well, no one wants or try’s to take a bad shot.
 
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