Fac air is it worth it ?

[Bowland blades]

Its worth it at very modest power imho maybe as much as 24 ft lb - 30 ft lb max. Because after that there are better options , the higher power stuff ? A hobby in its own right but not practical compared to rf / cf . Things might change into the future though . PCP rifles are prone to so many service issues

 

[villaman]

Its worth it at very modest power imho maybe as much as 24 ft lb - 30 ft lb max. Because after that there are better options , the higher power stuff ? A hobby in its own right but not practical compared to rf / cf . Things might change into the future though . PCP rifles are prone to so many service issues

Haven’t had my crown or impact serviced in 5+ years . Both have shot 10’s of thousands of pellets and slugs & like I said many times both of my FAC air will do more than .22lr

 

[Muffin man]

Haven’t had my crown or impact serviced in 5+ years . Both have shot 10’s of thousands of pellets and slugs & like I said many times both of my FAC air will do more than .22lr

Loads of top quality set and forget high power pcp’s available nowadays

 

[Bowland blades]

Haven’t had my crown or impact serviced in 5+ years . Both have shot 10’s of thousands of pellets and slugs & like I said many times both of my FAC air will do more than .22lr

That's not the common normal for PCP rifles to not need fixing on a reasonable frequency though . What you mean by do more than .22lr i am not sure ? If your mean the .22 LR is less reliable ? Get back to me in a couple of hundred years when we know that staement to be true of the latest model PCP today eh? the simplicity of the .,22 RF in all its forms as regards functional life with scant minimum servicing . Many users dont even clean the bore for years on end . The most long lived design that was used before man had even developed the centrefire cartridge , pinfire and RF was the thing or a muzzle loader . Interestingly the airgun was in its earliest forms a PCP using a hand pump to overcome giving away the attackers location with the smoke of the black powder.
Sealing high pressure gases / air for longer periods is a difficult thing to achieve . Even gas bottles for o2 etc in hospitals , welding gasses etc are given just a 5 year max before a full re-furnish or scaping

 

[Muffin man]

22lr still has its place as does everything but pcp’s have come on leaps and bounds in the last 5 years with higher power and better ammo and they are still being developed. I’m using a vulcan 3 at 90fpe with sub moa accuracy at 200 yards what’s not to like

 

[Bowland blades]

22lr still has its place as does everything but pcp’s have come on leaps and bounds in the last 5 years with higher power and better ammo and they are still being developed. I’m using a vulcan 3 at 90fpe with sub moa accuracy at 200 yards what’s not to like

obviously not and old Webley Vulcan LOL !

 

[villaman]

That's not the common normal for PCP rifles to not need fixing on a reasonable frequency though . What you mean by do more than .22lr i am not sure ? If your mean the .22 LR is less reliable ? Get back to me in a couple of hundred years when we know that staement to be true of the latest model PCP today eh? the simplicity of the .,22 RF in all its forms as regards functional life with scant minimum servicing . Many users dont even clean the bore for years on end . The most long lived design that was used before man had even developed the centrefire cartridge , pinfire and RF was the thing or a muzzle loader . Interestingly the airgun was in its earliest forms a PCP using a hand pump to overcome giving away the attackers location with the smoke of the black powder.
Sealing high pressure gases / air for longer periods is a difficult thing to achieve . Even gas bottles for o2 etc in hospitals , welding gasses etc are given just a 5 year max before a full re-furnish or scaping

Trouble with you old people you don’t like change

 

[Bowland blades]

Trouble with you old people you don’t like change

Nah we have just have more experience and heard too much rubbish to put up with it .

 

[villaman]

Nah we have just have more experience and heard too much rubbish to put up with it .

Well I’ve been shooting for 50 years & I can tell you FAC air has taken over in every single way from 22lr may be apart from target but there again look at the big comps in FAC air in the states

 

[Bo Diddley]

22lr still has its place as does everything but pcp’s have come on leaps and bounds in the last 5 years with higher power and better ammo and they are still being developed. I’m using a vulcan 3 at 90fpe with sub moa accuracy at 200 yards what’s not to like

Hi, what caliber is the Vulcan please?

 

[Bowland blades]

Well I’ve been shooting for 50 years & I can tell you FAC air has taken over in every single way from 22lr may be apart from target but there again look at the big comps in FAC air in the states

Look at std silhouette shooting with .22 rf in the states and compare to airgun and airgun . I seriously doubt that there are more FAC airguns registered in the UK than there are 22 rf .
Dont get me wrong here I do not dislike fac or sub 12ftlb airguns but (IN FAC RATED THEY ARE STILL A NICHE ). I have owned quite a few and indeed during my up and coming renewal i am going to add yet another ! Why? because i note that the airgun build specialists are starting to make std power airguns at lower power levels LSD has just done some at 10 ftlb and I consider while this makes for a smooth shooting paper puncher its dropping below the desired for the likes or crows , rabbits etc . I am looking under 20 ftlb , because low velocity sub 30 ftlb they do better the 22 RF and for dropping Squirrels , magpies etc the trajectory curve is slight because of the short distance horizontally against gravity . Also inside barns killing Feral pigeons a heavier RF bullet can and at some time will come back at you !
Indeed i consider air power the very best for many jobs but the real niche it holds over the RF & CF (is its lack of power) . Sure there are now airguns being made adequate for use on deer being made around the globe , some of them shooting a massive great slug even ! Again , if you want one go for it so long as its legal ! However FAC Air are far and away less used and less owned than RF in the UK and globally .
I wonder what might occur if legislation changed ? sub 12ftlb certainly seems to have dropped with the airgun licence ! People who have spent the majority of their shooting with sub 12 ftlb air will naturally gravitate to FAC air when they decide to licence . The 70s 80s even 90s when a young lad could be served illegally with airgun purchase have of course now long gone , who knows what the future will bring ?

 

[Muffin man]

Hi, what caliber is the Vulcan please?

It’s in .22 shooting 40 grain slugs at 1003 fps

 

[Bowland blades]

It’s in .22 shooting 40 grain slugs at 1003 fps

that is of course std velocity 22LR performance , that's the bit of fac air i just cant wrap my mind around the why bit , other than the pure interest in the mechanical interest which is perfectly valid

 

[Muffin man]

that is of course std velocity 22LR performance , that's the bit of fac air i just cant wrap my mind around the why bit , other than the pure interest in the mechanical interest which is perfectly valid

Because it’s quieter, more accurate and expands on impact instead of going straight through and ricocheting. This thing is shooting sub moa at 200 yards there’s very few 22lr’s will do that unless your talking match grade guns and ammo. My slugs cost £11 per 200 and I can order them online and get them delivered and I have a compressor to fill my guns and small tank I leave in the car. A very good friend of mine has shot 22lr for many many years but wanted to try fac air with slugs. He’s shooting a uragan at 50fpe with 23 grain slugs and since he got it the 22lr has never been out. He’s 72 and totally converted by a gun with half the power of his 22lr that has got to tell you something

 

[Domer]

We’re about to chop the 22 lr’s in and go fac air. Too many ricochet’s on our perms. We have hmr and sub 12 air rifles but have decided that we need the extra 20 yards or so.

My sub 12 air rifle has been with me for ten years and no real issues to speak of. It has had a service twice though . Having said that the current one is a daystate, had a fair few leaks with Theobens, no issues with air arms or fx.

 

[Bowland blades]

Because it’s quieter, more accurate and expands on impact instead of going straight through and ricocheting. This thing is shooting sub moa at 200 yards there’s very few 22lr’s will do that unless your talking match grade guns and ammo. My slugs cost £11 per 200 and I can order them online and get them delivered and I have a compressor to fill my guns and small tank I leave in the car. A very good friend of mine has shot 22lr for many many years but wanted to try fac air with slugs. He’s shooting a uragan at 50fpe with 23 grain slugs and since he got it the 22lr has never been out. He’s 72 and totally converted by a gun with half the power of his 22lr that has got to tell you something

Sounds to me like you have read and listened to many who are not fully in touch with 22 lr . Ricochet ? energy via velocity or bullet make up are the only vailid factor . An airgun with a 40 grain slug will behave no different than a 22 lr with a 40 grain bullet in lead - IF fired at the same velocity !
I have had my current CZ varmint 452 with a shortened barrel around twenty years i paid £150 for it second hand! Its put eight bullet through the exact same hole at 100 yards ( should have been ten but i honestly thought something had gone wrong to shot two into the sand with a spotter ) . Repairs ? switched the extractor claws around to account for the wear and it worked fine again! Thats it ! no leaks , no faulty seals , no dive bottle re tests etc etc .
I have had a number of FAC airguns and hundreds perhaps ? of sub 12 ft lb . I actually like the things ! However to replace the RF ? No ! Indeed i am about to put another on this renewal that i am on with a sub 20 ftlb .22 cal for shooting ferals etc in the bigger barns and squirrels from trees to mitigate the lack of confirmed backdrops using std weight air pellets fired upwards and any such things. The real value of air power ( forgetting the dart gun ) is its lack of power imo ! But CCI quiets do pretty good though the bullet is a tad heavy for horizontal shots trajectory curve considered, something that means little shooting steeper inclined angles

 

[cjm1066]

In a rimfire obrtution is provided by the disposable cartridge, a C/F uses a case that can reused many times.

A PCP O ring last years.

Horses for courses but the PCP is probably more durable.

 

[Muffin man]

Sounds to me like you have read and listened to many who are not fully in touch with 22 lr . Ricochet ? energy via velocity or bullet make up are the only vailid factor . An airgun with a 40 grain slug will behave no different than a 22 lr with a 40 grain bullet in lead - IF fired at the same velocity !
I have had my current CZ varmint 452 with a shortened barrel around twenty years i paid £150 for it second hand! Its put eight bullet through the exact same hole at 100 yards ( should have been ten but i honestly thought something had gone wrong to shot two into the sand with a spotter ) . Repairs ? switched the extractor claws around to account for the wear and it worked fine again! Thats it ! no leaks , no faulty seals , no dive bottle re tests etc etc .
I have had a number of FAC airguns and hundreds perhaps ? of sub 12 ft lb . I actually like the things ! However to replace the RF ? No ! Indeed i am about to put another on this renewal that i am on with a sub 20 ftlb .22 cal for shooting ferals etc in the bigger barns and squirrels from trees to mitigate the lack of confirmed backdrops using std weight air pellets fired upwards and any such things. The real value of air power ( forgetting the dart gun ) is its lack of power imo ! But CCI quiets do pretty good though the bullet is a tad heavy for horizontal shots trajectory curve considered, something that means little shooting steeper inclined angles

My slugs are hollow point they don’t behave like a 22lr bullet on impact.

 

[Muffin man]

We’re about to chop the 22 lr’s in and go fac air. Too many ricochet’s on our perms. We have hmr and sub 12 air rifles but have decided that we need the extra 20 yards or so.

My sub 12 air rifle has been with me for ten years and no real issues to speak of. It has had a service twice though . Having said that the current one is a daystate, had a fair few leaks with Theobens, no issues with air arms or fx.

Fx and airgun technology are top of the fac air tree if you want to shoot slugs but airgun technology are much simpler design and very reliable

 

[villaman]

Sounds to me like you have read and listened to many who are not fully in touch with 22 lr . Ricochet ? energy via velocity or bullet make up are the only vailid factor . An airgun with a 40 grain slug will behave no different than a 22 lr with a 40 grain bullet in lead - IF fired at the same velocity !
I have had my current CZ varmint 452 with a shortened barrel around twenty years i paid £150 for it second hand! Its put eight bullet through the exact same hole at 100 yards ( should have been ten but i honestly thought something had gone wrong to shot two into the sand with a spotter ) . Repairs ? switched the extractor claws around to account for the wear and it worked fine again! Thats it ! no leaks , no faulty seals , no dive bottle re tests etc etc .
I have had a number of FAC airguns and hundreds perhaps ? of sub 12 ft lb . I actually like the things ! However to replace the RF ? No ! Indeed i am about to put another on this renewal that i am on with a sub 20 ftlb .22 cal for shooting ferals etc in the bigger barns and squirrels from trees to mitigate the lack of confirmed backdrops using std weight air pellets fired upwards and any such things. The real value of air power ( forgetting the dart gun ) is its lack of power imo ! But CCI quiets do pretty good though the bullet is a tad heavy for horizontal shots trajectory curve considered, something that means little shooting steeper inclined angles

You are must be totally blind if you can’t see the the advantages of FAC air over 22lr