Kevgun
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Which is a good thing in some situations.
FAC air vs 12ft/lb?
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Muffin man
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The massive expansion of air rifle slugs as shown in the video are far less dangerous than a 22lr bullet that just zips straight through
Heym SR20
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My take on PCP air rifles is that they are very accurate, minimal recoil, but are somewhat fragile with lots of seals valves etc and need all paraphernalia of compressed air sources etc.
Springers just go on for ever. I have an old BSA Airsporter which I was given in 1982. It is down south at my parents and still regularly spits out a pellet fast and accurate enough to kill squirrels, rats and rabbits in the garden in the hands of my father. Off hand it shoots minute of laurel leaf - we have a laurel in front of a chalk bank and leaves are about 2” wide by 3” long. I have spent many many tins of Eley wasps putting little holes into those leaves over the last 40 years.
I think I once an ox mainspring into it when I was a kid. Ever since the occasional drop of oil and it just keeps going.
Plenty of other spring guns will give the same service.
I am sure an FAC PCP is a very good gun if they float your boat and / or do a lot of vermin control.
For me a 22 LR does every thing I need and a simple and reliable rifle. I have been meaning to get an air rifle again up here and it will be an HW35e - but I never seem to get around to it.
Springers just go on for ever. I have an old BSA Airsporter which I was given in 1982. It is down south at my parents and still regularly spits out a pellet fast and accurate enough to kill squirrels, rats and rabbits in the garden in the hands of my father. Off hand it shoots minute of laurel leaf - we have a laurel in front of a chalk bank and leaves are about 2” wide by 3” long. I have spent many many tins of Eley wasps putting little holes into those leaves over the last 40 years.
I think I once an ox mainspring into it when I was a kid. Ever since the occasional drop of oil and it just keeps going.
Plenty of other spring guns will give the same service.
I am sure an FAC PCP is a very good gun if they float your boat and / or do a lot of vermin control.
For me a 22 LR does every thing I need and a simple and reliable rifle. I have been meaning to get an air rifle again up here and it will be an HW35e - but I never seem to get around to it.
Muffin man
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Modern high power air rifles are pretty reliable if you go with the right makes and charging isn’t so much faff anymore with high pressure compressors getting cheaper. I paid 395 quid for my compressor and I’ve had it 4 years with no problems. I use an agt vulcan 3 fac which is running at 86fpe with 38 grain hollow point slugs and it’s deadly accurate and very quiet. These modern air rifles will do everything a 22lr will do and more
And the cost of a clean second hand CZ 452 ( or similar) 22LR and a brick of good sub sonics would be less than the price paid for the compressor alone. Leave it in the safe for years , use it hard and it will likely still be working fine in another 100 years with a minimum of maintenance
PCP airguns are however a hobby on their own though, i get that 100% . Could you explain the "more " that the PCP can do over the RF though ? That interests me because i cannot think what that could be at present and am up to learn something of that . 86 ftlb with 38 grain bullet is std .22 ammo and we have high velocity , and a range of reduced power below that, Lapua now make some incredible long range 22RF ammo as it 500 yards .
One on top of two
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Good grief , i only asked what the rest it could do because it was mentioned it did more but missed the specics
Rake Aboot
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Read the thread then .
Muffin man
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Well my v3 will do from sub12 fpe which it was before I put it on my ticket to 90fpe which is the most I’ve had out of it so far with accuracy better than all but the most expensive target 22lr shooting match ammo. PCP’s are competing with 22lr in competition so your 200 quid cz isn’t even going to get close. One of my best friends had a cz452 and then the newer 455 but now uses an agt uragan because it’s more accurate and quieter. His uragan is 49fpe so that should tell you something.
Targets out to 1 mile have been done with pcp believe it or not
Muffin man
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Steve brew has made some excellent videos using his pcp’s and if I remember right he was shooting 5 shot groups at 200 yards with the best group being 0.36 moa
Edit best 200 yard 5 shot group was .291 moa and this is with Zan hollow point slugs costing around 12 quid per 200.
The next generation of elr slugs are about to hit the market so we will see how much they can improve on the long range groups as they have bc’s much higher than the hollow point hunting ammo
Edit best 200 yard 5 shot group was .291 moa and this is with Zan hollow point slugs costing around 12 quid per 200.
The next generation of elr slugs are about to hit the market so we will see how much they can improve on the long range groups as they have bc’s much higher than the hollow point hunting ammo
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I have told you time after time why FAC air is more versatile, will be more accurate & safer to use . Why do you think the police forces throughout the country prefer you to have FAC air or HMR over .22lr for field use
Bo Diddley
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Lloyd90
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Did you notice much difference in that sort of power?
Considering putting my HW97k on my FAC. I think the full power spring only takes it up to around 15/16 ft/lb.
Not sure if it’s worth it for that much difference.
Rake Aboot
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It was a big difference to a non fac .177
What I will say though is I wouldn’t put a springer on fac. Too much risk of making it unpleasant to shoot.
Is AOLQ not standard nowadays? I have it on mine, certainly.
When I only had FAC air .22 & .25 on my license it had fox on it
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