Could the shooting community benefit from the new hate crime law in Scotland

[bluesako]

i feel sorry for the ordinary scotts, scotland is a bigger joke than england now will yousless yousef arrest all these palastinian protesters shouting and threatening to kill all the jews no he wont and dont get me started on the welsh assembly GB the inmates have taken over the assylum

 

[Heym SR20]

Have considered this more I retract my original thoughts. For a brief moment I thought be a glimmer of hope and that the Scottish Government was slightly more enlightened than Westminster. But the Hate Crime bill I believe needs to itself be prosecuted for singling out certain sections of Society.

Indeed I could post Jonathan Pie’s latest offering on the subject, but being in Scotland I might offend somebody so I will not.

 

[jimmer.13]

You could just Die your hair orange, paint your face and your a*se blue and then put on a tartan skirt and claim that you are a ………… oh wait we’re talking about Scottish people

 

[long_range_rob]

Yes, it is.

Here’s what the law actually says:

“1 Aggravation of offences by prejudice​

(1) An offence is aggravated by prejudice if—

(a) where there is a specific victim of the offence—

(i) at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates malice and ill-will towards the victim, and

(ii) the malice and ill-will is based on the victim’s membership or presumed membership of a group defined by reference to a characteristic mentioned in subsection (2), or

(b) whether or not there is a specific victim of the offence, the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by malice and ill-will towards a group of persons based on the group being defined by reference to a characteristic mentioned in subsection (2).

(2) The characteristics are—

(a) age,

(b) disability,

(c) race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), or ethnic or national origins,

(d) religion or, in the case of a social or cultural group, perceived religious affiliation,

(e) sexual orientation,

(f) transgender identity,

(g) variations in sex characteristics.”

Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021

www.legislation.gov.uk

maximus otter

Race hatred based on nationality. That’s the entire SNP screwed then their whole ethos is to blame “You English!”

 

[JockStalk]

This all based on a false assumption that ‘hate’ incidents are on the increase.
Objective studies have identified that is totally untrue in all categories other than ‘trans’ hate incidents.
Perhaps I am unfair in thinking that there are vocal activists in that ground with an agenda to push that May just have reported so called the incidents to push their own ideology.
So, if hate incidents are not on the increase, why oh why does the state want to further control what I say, think or feel?

 

[artschool]

no more Irish jokes then.

 

[Rake Aboot]

This all based on a false assumption that ‘hate’ incidents are on the increase.
Objective studies have identified that is totally untrue in all categories other than ‘trans’ hate incidents.
Perhaps I am unfair in thinking that there are vocal activists in that ground with an agenda to push that May just have reported so called the incidents to push their own ideology.
So, if hate incidents are not on the increase, why oh why does the state want to further control what I say, think or feel?

Most of the countries stupid laws are driven by a stupid but vocal minority
Look at air gun licensing, driven by a loud mouth and the daily record

 

[JockStalk]

So if I am prosecuted for calling a lad in a frock a man, and I end up in court accused of a hate incident…..
And I swear on the bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
What do I do then?
Call the bloke a bloke and commit a hate crime, or call the bloke a lassie and commit perjury?

 

[Mr. Gain]

In this case we need to start a religion or cult? The ritual bangs of our guns ward away evil spirits etc. We'll need some sort of Bible, a DSC1 manual will do.

I put my religion down on the last census as "field sports" and reckon I adhere to my creed at least as well as most members of the better established faiths, so I guess that's me safely protected against hate speech haggis-side!

 

[Koenig]

In this case we need to start a religion or cult? The ritual bangs of our guns ward away evil spirits etc. We'll need some sort of Bible, a DSC1 manual will do.

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[Klenchblaize]

Rangers FC. V Celtic FC this Weekend?

K

 

[Rake Aboot]

So if I am prosecuted for calling a lad in a frock a man, and I end up in court accused of a hate incident…..
And I swear on the bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
What do I do then?
Call the bloke a bloke and commit a hate crime, or call the bloke a lassie and commit perjury?

JK Rowling has already proved that that isn’t an offence anyway.

 

[opticron1]

Rangers FC. V Celtic FC this Weekend?

K

Indeed!
The biggest hate filled bigotry fest that we have to tolerate in Scotland.......
17 years of the execrable idiots in the Scottish Nasty Party and they still pretend that there isn't a real problem, but they still spend an inordinate amount of time bringing forth "legislation" (sic) to prevent honest people saying what is biologically true (Gender Recognition Bill) and now this utterly unworkable Hate Crime Bill.
I'm sure our under resourced Police force are just ecstatic to have this foisted on them.......

 

[JockStalk]

Rangers FC. V Celtic FC this Weekend?

K

I can see the police watching 50,000 fans with videos to record any hate incident.
At half time they’ll have enough work to chase up for the whole force for a millennia.

 

[timbrayford]

Given the sort of language and abuse that some of the population use towards those who participate in fieldsports, and if used similar towards any other minority it would fall into hate speech, could this actually be useful against some of the abuse that is received on a daily by those going about legitimate business.

Scotland’s new hate crime law: what does it cover and why is it controversial?

The government insists the law, coming into force on Monday, is needed to protect victims but critics say it limits freedom of expression

www.theguardian.com

Doubtful, now that the bully boys of hate can't pick on religious and ethnic minorities they are free to to be as hateful as they like towards the rural community as a whole. We appear to be the only unprotected minority left!

 

[Deerhunter22]

The Bill is bollocks, as far as I’m concerned, it’s an attack on the right to opinion because even if your opinion isn’t criminal and you did not try to incite crime upon a group of people then your still stuck onto a register for having been reported

Indeed!
The biggest hate filled bigotry fest that we have to tolerate in Scotland.......
17 years of the execrable idiots in the Scottish Nasty Party and they still pretend that there isn't a real problem, but they still spend an inordinate amount of time bringing forth "legislation" (sic) to prevent honest people saying what is biologically true (Gender Recognition Bill) and now this utterly unworkable Hate Crime Bill.
I'm sure our under resourced Police force are just ecstatic to have this foisted on them.......

You cannot talk in science terms anymore incase it offends. My belief around certain things is decided through biology. Again not everyone’s view on things but that’s mine.

Not to mention we have the highest drug death in Europe, so much homelessness and an education system in Scotland that doesn’t work, a party driven by one agenda, hundreds of thousands just “missing” and a first minister who is unelected and taking away the freedom to opinion. But none of that is as important as passing legislation to keep the offended safe from being offended and criminalise the innocent by passing names to a register that will prevent visas and jobs even though nothing criminal happened. Not to mention the motivation behind such policy’s is no doubt politically driven for votes to gain their independence and that is the scummiest kind of thing any politician can do

Really boils my **** this kind of thing

 

[Deerhunter22]

Doubtful, now that the bully boys of hate can't pick on religious and ethnic minorities they are free to to be as hateful as they like towards the rural community as a whole. We appear to be the only unprotected minority left!

Because to hunt is unethical but to buy battery chickens in KFC isn’t

 

[VSS]

. We appear to be the only unprotected minority left!

If we can't play the religion card (eg, "The Philosophical Beliefs of an Ethical Hunter are akin to Religion, and should be recognised as such"), then we should all claim to be Neurologically Divergent (on the simple basis that we have different thought processes from everyone else).
We'd be untouchable then!